Just numbers, with maths

[MAX-24-Dean]

Or you could just grow up.

And accept the idea that not all things may be what you were told they were.

My suggestion would be to turn off that poison coming out of NPR. That whole "fake news" dogma. Straight out of the liberal playlist.

I'm not a "conspiracy theorist". I know that you need to "label" me as some kind of kook, or nut, so that you can go on believing the dream.

But when a lady that I have known for YEARS before this whole Covid thing hit, tells me that they are absolutely being pressured to claim that any death in their chain of care homes is "Covid related", that is not an accident. Nor is it a "misunderstood conversation".

Yes Covid is real. Yes people are really dying from it. But if you can't wrap your head around the concept that where FREE MONEY is concerned (in this case from the govt, aka us taxpayers), then you are truly naive in the way major health care companies work.

Worked in healthcare and can confirm that it is not about healthcare, it is about the dollars.

Just follow the money seems to be a good way to get to the bottom of why many things are the way they are.
I have worked at several hospitals and the way each patients diagnosis/treatment is coded (codes used to get reimberment from Medicare/Medicaid) is to maximize the reimbursement, even if it required a little fudge factor to get the extra money. Its pretty corrupt in my opinion. And it is also common knowledge.
Coding the diagnosis to Covid means extra money. Extra money means we can repeat the cheat and get extra dollars.

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

I see that my response was Moderated In Secret (r) again.

Love our power hungry, yet hiding in the shadows moderators.

 

[rjpotts]

Here's yesterday's stats in Iowa. As you can see the 30% of people not vaccinated represent 84% of those in ICU beds. Evidence of the vaccine reducing the incidence of severe illness.

 

[LD1]

I didn't respond to the other thread. But don't know anyone that has died of covid....directly or indirectly.

If until the last few months....I didn't even know anyone personally that had tested positive.

But more and more people I know are now testing positive. For some it's just like a bad cold/flu. For others....the only symptoms were lack of taste and smell.

But what is odd is that quite a few people I know that are fully vacc'd and testing positive AND showing symptoms.

Most employers around here, if you are exposed to someone with covid....you have to quarantine for 14 days unless vaccinated. Then you don't have to. And if you are positive....it's 7-day isolation for starters until a negative test.

With more and more people I know that are vaccinated yet still getting it...makes me question the quarantine policy. You can be vaccinated, still get it, still spread it....but since you were a good little boy/girl and got vaccinated you get preferential treatment and don't have to miss work. Seems illogical to me.

Most that I know that get the vax aren't doing so because they think it works or think it's the right thing to do. They are getting it simply to avoid missing two weeks work and nothing more. And that's a sad excuse/reason to decide on vax vs no vax

 

[newbury]

The significant number, if you're talking about affecting other people, is not deaths, it's hospitalizations. When hospital ICU beds are taken up by COVID patients, that doesn't leave any for accident victims or other emergencies.

This is but one of the significant numbers.
In our area of Northeast Mississippi ICU beds are extremely scarce.
My BIL is a family doctor. One of our close relatives required ICU care for non-Covid medical care. He couldn't get her admitted to the hospital.
She had to get round the clock medical care at home.
I wonder how many people have died due to not being able to get care because unvaccinated Covid patients have been occupying beds.
My wife suffered from two strokes about 12 years ago. If she hadn't been able to get ICU care she would have died.
I spent most of a month "sleeping" in a chair next to her in one ICU. Due to hospital rules I was usually being kicked out about 3am, then let back in 30 minutes later. I don't remember any time when the ICU's were FULL.
From a study in 2013 -
on ICU bed use

Measurements and Main Results​

Over the three years studied, total ICU occupancy ranged from 57.4% to 82.1% and the number of beds filled with mechanically ventilated patients ranged from 20.7% to 38.9%. There was no change in occupancy across years and no increase in occupancy during influenza seasons. Mean hourly occupancy across ICUs was 68.2% SD ± 21.3, and was substantially higher in ICUs with fewer beds (mean 75.8% (± 16.5) for 5–14 beds versus 60.9% (± 22.1) for 20+ beds, P = 0.001), and in academic hospitals (78.7% (± 15.9) versus 65.3% (± 21.3) for community not-for profit hospitals, P < 0.001). More than half (53.6%) of ICUs had 4+ beds available more than half the time. The mean percentage of ICU patients receiving mechanical ventilation in any given hour was 39.5% (± 15.2), and a mean of 29.0% (± 15.9) of ICU beds were filled with a patient on a ventilator.

Conclusions​

Occupancy of US ICUs was stable over time, but there is uneven distribution across different types and sizes of units. Only three out of ten beds were filled at any time with mechanically ventilated patients, suggesting substantial surge capacity throughout the system to care for acutely critically ill patients.

Hospital beds didn't use to be that full.
I'm apprehensive to be where there is "no room at the inn".

And now the system is starting to show cracks from overstress.

 

[Snobdds]

This is but one of the significant numbers.
In our area of Northeast Mississippi ICU beds are extremely scarce.
My BIL is a family doctor. One of our close relatives required ICU care for non-Covid medical care. He couldn't get her admitted to the hospital.
She had to get round the clock medical care at home.
I wonder how many people have died due to not being able to get care because unvaccinated Covid patients have been occupying beds.
My wife suffered from two strokes about 12 years ago. If she hadn't been able to get ICU care she would have died.
I spent most of a month "sleeping" in a chair next to her in one ICU. Due to hospital rules I was usually being kicked out about 3am, then let back in 30 minutes later. I don't remember any time when the ICU's were FULL.
From a study in 2013 -
on ICU bed use


Hospital beds didn't use to be that full.
I'm apprehensive to be where there is "no room at the inn".

And now the system is starting to show cracks from overstress.

A covid patient in an ICU bed makes the hospital about an extra 2,000 - 3,000 per day.

I will leave it at that.

 

[masscity]

I was vaccinated in Jan and Feb with Moderna, I got covid in June and was sick for 13 days. Not terrible, but wasn't any fun either.

Friend of mine didn't want to get vaccinated, but finally did with Johnson & Johnson much later got covid and was very sick for 30 days.

He probably would have died without the shot.

 

[Snobdds]

We should start a new thread without comment of...

How many people do you know are vaccinated and still got COVID?

 

[MAX-24-Dean]

Last 4 month stats from Scotland. Israel stats are similiar.

"The latest Public Health data shows that in the past four months the fully vaccinated population have accounted for 7 in every 10 Covid-19 hospitalisations, as well as 6 in every 10 cases, and 9 in every 10 deaths.


So today we’re starting the ‘Let’s all chip in to buy Dr Hilary a calculator for Christmas’ campaign, because on the 6th December, he stated on national television that 90% of the people currently in hospital with Covid-19 are unvaccinated. Proving he is either stupid, or just a liar. "

source: the daily expose UK

MSN

www.msn.com

This can be very confusing and it makes one think and hope that someone will sort this all out, the sooner the better.

Where is this headed?

"Mass Formation Pychosis".

Or read here.

MASS FORMATION PSYCHOSIS

or... mass hypnosis- the madness of crowds

rwmalonemd.substack.com

 

[sea2summit]

Here's yesterday's stats in Iowa. As you can see the 30% of people not vaccinated represent 84% of those in ICU beds. Evidence of the vaccine reducing the incidence of severe illness.

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Okay...that really tells us nothing at all. This is exactly why statistics absent of actual math is totally stupid. If there are only 6 ICU beds occupied by COVID patients and five are non-vaxinated but there's 100 ICU beds and only 15 others are occupied why do I care?