Kioti Broken in Half

[Midniteoyl]

Again, what design changes did they make on the tractors to make them engineered to take a loader?

Drilled some holes for the mounting bracket.

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

People, please. It is a matter of scale. I have a 1/4" Impact Driver, a 1/2" Drill/Driver, a 1/2" Hammer Drill, and a SDS Rotary Hammer. Each has it's place, all except for the last can pretty much do what the others can but obviously not as well. A Crescent wrench is no replacement for the right sized box end or ratchet. It is a matter of selecting the right tool for the job. I had a loader on my MF1250 for 27 years and never had anything break. If something was too big I got someone to bring a bigger loader.

So now that we have beat the front loader to death, can we move to the bacK of the tractor?
Seems there is lots of abuse there too, as well as appropriate tools for the job!

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Actually that is a mixed comparison, the scraper is more like a large box blade, the land plane is more like a

 

[LouNY]

Actually that is a mixed comparison, the scraper is more like a large box blade, the land plane is more like a View attachment 730049

I'd say more like,

but not quite as good

 

[4570Man]

According to you my Case 580CK is poorly designed and should not have the factory loader on it.
Eric

What’s your definition of a good design? A 580 case or any other full size backhoe isn’t a good design. They’re designed durable and don’t break frequently. They have that going for them. They’re fairly affordable for homeowners to own and they’re strong. They also have that going for them. But as far as being a good digger or a good loader they’re not.

 

[the old grind]

Example: Branson. I'd rather have a grapple on a 35hp 20-series than on a 35hp-10 series. IMO this was a case of too big an attachment on too small a tractor's frame size. Loose bolts on a sub-frame won't do us any favors. Do we always check them, too?

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

The modern CUT is metaphorically the Swiss Army Knife of large home/small farm power equipment. Like a SAK it's designed to do a lot of different tasks. It is not the best tool in the world for a lot of those tasks, but it can accomplish them easier and faster than doing them with man strength and awkwardness. A FEL on a tractor is like the corkscrew on a SAK, you can use the corkscrew to open the occasional bottle, but it wouldn't be your go to tool for the job if you had a double lever corkscrew. Yet, no one can say that the Swiss Army Knife isn't designed with the ability to open a wine bottle.
Most of us can't afford an excavator, wheel loader, road grader and a scraper so we buy a compact tractor and use the FEL when we need one, add a backhoe or buy a box blade if we need one, or any number of other attachments we might want or need. They are just different blades for our metaphorical Swiss Army Knife

 

[Hay Dude]

Any machine or vehicle can break in half.

Whoop si daisies

Overloading, operator error, lack of maintenance all contributing factors

 

[jyoutz]

IF true, why did the john deere loader I saw at a farm show, say made in china on it?? AND their farm tractor loader mfg'ing moved from Canada to Mexico some years ago...

SR

IDK about farm tractors. The CUT loaders were manufactured in US, but maybe that has changed?

 

[plastikosmd]

Those grapple videos were enlightening

I do lift more than I should with a bucket but clearly some people have more $ than brains

 

[Hay Dude]

IDK about farm tractors. The CUT loaders were manufactured in US, but maybe that has changed?

John Deere has been manufacturing in China for many years.
I have a CX-15 with Chinese gearboxes. But then again so are all the other brands.
Was looking at a newer 120HP farm tractor and the front axle said “made in China“ on it. Wheels and wheel weights made in C, too.

 

[LouNY]

Any machine or vehicle can break in half.

Whoop si daisies

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Overloading, operator error, lack of maintenance all contributing factors

The IH wasn't from lack of maintenance, not likely operator error, and it wasn't the load overload so much as the horsepower overload.

 

[Hay Dude]

The IH wasn't from lack of maintenance, not likely operator error, and it wasn't the load overload so much as the horsepower overload.

I would think the horsepower overload would fall into “operator error” category, wouldnt you?

 

[LouNY]

I would think the horsepower overload would fall into “operator error” category, wouldnt you?

Nope, going for first place,
because Second place is the first looser.

 

[Thomas]

Some misuse also factor.

 

[jyoutz]

John Deere has been manufacturing in China for many years.
I have a CX-15 with Chinese gearboxes. But then again so are all the other brands.
Was looking at a newer 120HP farm tractor and the front axle said “made in China“ on it. Wheels and wheel weights made in C, too.

On my new old (2000) JD cut, the loader said made in Georgia so I assumed that’s where they made loaders. My new Kubota loader says made in Georgia.

 

[Hay Dude]

Nope, going for first place,
because Second place is the first looser.

Is that you or a friend?

 

[LouNY]

Is that you or a friend?

Nope, to expensive a hobby for my blood at that level.
But I do enjoy watching and have pulled a few times.

 

[IndyJay]

On my new old (2000) JD cut, the loader said made in Georgia so I assumed that’s where they made loaders. My new Kubota loader says made in Georgia.

Northern or Southern Georgia?

 

[jyoutz]

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Northern or Southern Georgia?

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Is Gainesville in northern or southern Georgia?

 

[etpm]

What’s your definition of a good design? A 580 case or any other full size backhoe isn’t a good design. They’re designed durable and don’t break frequently. They have that going for them. They’re fairly affordable for homeowners to own and they’re strong. They also have that going for them. But as far as being a good digger or a good loader they’re not.

I don't know then what the definition of a good loader or digger is. My Case digs fast. I have dug plenty of ditches and holes plenty fast, at least fast to me. And I don't know why it's not a good loader. I can fill the bucket fast, it will lift a full bucket of rocks, it has a nice float function, it back blades well, it lifts plenty high so I can dump stuff on the top of high piles. What would make it significantly better? And it has a shuttle shift, the best transmission invention I can think of. No clutching required to change direction. Woo Hoo!
Eric