Kioti Broken in Half

[sd455dan]

The way the tractor broke seems opposite of what would happen with too much weight in the FEL. It would bend upward in the middle.

no expert here. but I think what remains after failure somewhat depends on the material used where the break occurs. chrome moly frames i have seen broken did not distort in any way they reached failure and fractured with no real distortion, same for most cast Iron. Now mild steel oh yeah much more likely to pretzel a bit before it fails completely. Cast steel somewhere in the middle but it sure would be a lot easier to weld for a repair than cast iron possibly for this Kioti's case.

 

[deezler]

Here at TBN, a World fat with SCUTs, CUTs and Utility tractors, most with FELs, front axle/bearing failure is very rare. Definitely more rare than bent/broken FELs. Probably more rare than broken tractor chassis.

You think so? My Cub Cadet 7305 did it last year (mitsubishi built). I made a thread about it. And found several others. I suspect some people just replace the bearings and move on with life, no need to fuss about it on the internet. I was scared when mine happened, but it was an easy repair in the end.

 

[ovrszd]

You think so? My Cub Cadet 7305 did it last year (mitsubishi built). I made a thread about it. And found several others. I suspect some people just replace the bearings and move on with life, no need to fuss about it on the internet. I was scared when mine happened, but it was an easy repair in the end.

Yeah, I think so. Search for threads about distorted or bent FELs.

 

[Hay Dude]

You think so? My Cub Cadet 7305 did it last year (mitsubishi built). I made a thread about it. And found several others. I suspect some people just replace the bearings and move on with life, no need to fuss about it on the internet. I was scared when mine happened, but it was an easy repair in the end.

Took me all of 10 seconds to find a bunch of failed bearings & seals threads. Here’s ONE thread

Leaky front axle

My 2003 L3430 4wd leaks a bit of 80/90 at the turning joint for the right wheel, not the left. Enough leaks to wet the inside of the tire a bit but not a lot. I jacked the front end up and shook the wheel and the joint has only the slightest detectable play. Checked fluid level and it only...

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[mahovy]

Maybe the operator needed to be on a diet….

 

[CJONE]

I would bet I am one of the hardest FEL tractor USERS. Some would say abuse but oh well. I have replaced broken off FEL mount bolts but I keep them TIGHT also. I have broke a front axle bearing housing. It was simply replaced at only $250 and maybe a hour of my time. I have bent my curl cylinders a bunch of times to the point of building blocks to straighten them on the machine. To break the Kioti's frame I am betting a heavy load and hitting a rock or hole just like when I cracked the bearing housing. And yes all of the damage I have done has been using a custom built grapple except for 1 time with the bucket building a driveway with frost in it. I have a 1000lb rolled box blade with loaded tires and normally carry as much as the tractor will lift. [yes my pressure is turned up to 2700lb also] That frame that broke is steel and would be simply repaired and with a few parts would be useable again. But with the hours on the machine I wonder what else is in bad shape because of the abuse. CJ

 

[WoodChuckDad]

I own. Kioti 7320. I have lifted and carried larege tree stumps with my grapple. Hundreds of them
Lumber stacks and large rocks. I always try to carry with the loader in the lowest possible position. It is a stomach turning picture to see that machine broken like that. I am sure it could happen to many of us. I have a 2005 Komatsu PC130 excavator and I have used it for an amazing range of jobs on the farm. You can break any of these things if you are using them hard.
yes, There is a line between hard use and overuse. It isnt always easy to see. The line between hard use and abuse is easier for MOST people to see.
Some people are just belligerent

 

[OldPaint]

Those that are noticing the shinier paint on the front over what's' on the back might want to consider that hydraulic hoses were probably pulled in two or cut open by mangled metal and spraying hydraulic oil around a bit. That's going to improve the color and sheen a bit.

 

[4570Man]

I would bet I am one of the hardest FEL tractor USERS. Some would say abuse but oh well. I have replaced broken off FEL mount bolts but I keep them TIGHT also. I have broke a front axle bearing housing. It was simply replaced at only $250 and maybe a hour of my time. I have bent my curl cylinders a bunch of times to the point of building blocks to straighten them on the machine. To break the Kioti's frame I am betting a heavy load and hitting a rock or hole just like when I cracked the bearing housing. And yes all of the damage I have done has been using a custom built grapple except for 1 time with the bucket building a driveway with frost in it. I have a 1000lb rolled box blade with loaded tires and normally carry as much as the tractor will lift. [yes my pressure is turned up to 2700lb also] That frame that broke is steel and would be simply repaired and with a few parts would be useable again. But with the hours on the machine I wonder what else is in bad shape because of the abuse. CJ

It might be time for you to consider a construction machine that’s more capable of withstanding abuse.

 

[ed1978]

Well, we see some crazy tractor usage from Russa and Asia at times.

only get what you pay for. seems like lifting more than its designed for. its chinease crap stell to begin with. rusted when built.

 

[frcnLS]

"Customer service? Ya... Just wondering.. Does J.B. Weld come in a two, 25 gallon drums?"

 

[coobie]

I think I might take off my grapple. I don't want to break my junky tractor in half. Maybe I can get a smaller bucket for my loader.

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[the old grind]

Guys, isn't a DK vs a CK kinda cheating a bit? Then there are stump buckets ...

 

[ovrszd]

Took me all of 10 seconds to find a bunch of failed bearings & seals threads. Here’s ONE thread

Leaky front axle

My 2003 L3430 4wd leaks a bit of 80/90 at the turning joint for the right wheel, not the left. Enough leaks to wet the inside of the tire a bit but not a lot. I jacked the front end up and shook the wheel and the joint has only the slightest detectable play. Checked fluid level and it only...

www.tractorbynet.com

How about bent crooked FELs, did you search for those???? You've participated in dozens of those conversations.

 

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Here's not something you see every day. Browsing facebook and saw this.

Not sure what the backstory is.

Tree must fell on it in the past or something heavy…

 

[rademamj1]

The guy that did is was using the tractor instead of a bulldozer or skidder. His dealer and local mechanic both told him he was crazy and would probably break something but he decided to destroy the tractor anyway! He's posted it on Facebook with several different stories including the some of them about how he high-centered it on a rock, his wife drove into a tree, and the one he got made fun of the most on his how he babied the tractor since new. His local mechanic showed up on that post and called him out!! lol

Its amazing what people post on Facebook. That could be an entire thread itself. So it now appears his Kioti Dealer was fully aware of his abusive work habits with the tractor, and warned him. Most likely the dealer in this case becomes the first step in the Kioti Corporate chain for warranty review and eventual denial. Curious, if the broken frame tractor owner is a member of this forum, and if so, he has not come forward to provide any insight on this accident.

 

[EONE]

What exactly you see on a tractor that tells you it was designed to have a loader? They still have the weakest axle and subframe under that loader... Sure, manufacturers offer a loader because there is a demand for it, but still doesn't make it designed to have a loader.

Around here, you really can't buy a tractor off the dealer with the so called "factory" loader on it. It will be aftermarket, and even if it has the sticker saying the manufacturer of the tractor, chances are it will be a Stoll, Quicke loader or any other manufacturer on that specific country.

That's not very informed...Tractors ARE made to have loaders...They have been on them from day 1. One of the most popular attachments ever used on a farm or CUT. Maybe you better research the use of loaders on tractors. Of course any tractor can and will break in half if abused. I have seen at least six tractors that have either broken at the bell housing or the front axle mounting area...Bell housing being the more common among certain brands....in fact many tractors NEVER had a frame at all. NONE.

 

[LittleBill21]

That's not very informed...Tractors ARE made to have loaders...They have been on them from day 1. One of the most popular attachments ever used on a farm or CUT. Maybe you better research the use of loaders on tractors. Of course any tractor can and will break in half if abused. I have seen at least six tractors that have either broken at the bell housing or the front axle mounting area...Bell housing being the more common among certain brands....in fact many tractors NEVER had a frame at all. NONE.

i agree,

if the loader comes from the dealer with a dealer plated attachment, then IT WAS designed for it. People making comments like loaders are meant for lifting, not digging are killing me. These things should not have to be used with white gloves like some people are commenting.

If tires weren't not meant to be lifted off the ground, then they would have designed the cylinders to not let it go that low.

seems like some of you guys are afraid to even drive your tractors, based on the comments here, my frame should have broke 15 times.

 

[ovrszd]

If tired weren't not meant to be lifted off the ground, then they would have designed the cylinders to not let it go that low.

Ummmm,,,,, when members are talking about tires off the ground they mean the rear tires, not the front tires.

 

[LittleBill21]

Ummmm,,,,, when members are talking about tires off the ground they mean the rear tires, not the front tires.

yea not sure I agree with that, people weren't saying that in the cylinder bend post with the stump puller.