Kioti = Heavy!

Jim_in_Omaha · May 14, 2004

Thanks Vince and John,
We'll see Saturday if that Chinese hoe can hoe. Hope it don't break my Kioti in half /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Jim

krazykioti · May 15, 2004

I just read a post by brg in the NH/Ford post. Under the posting of topic ( major failure).Evidentley his TC33D split in half while using his fel and not a bh. His fel was a NH brand!
Possibly this is a problem that applies to New Holland. This kind of ads a new twist to this issue. I do not believe this will be an issue with Kioti because there has not been any postings relating to this type of problem. It sounds like a design flaw with the thickness of the flanges on the castings.

Charlie

MessickFarmEqu · May 15, 2004

Its not unique to New Holland, nor is it unique to that configeration. We have seen it happen with all brands of tractors at one time or another. Most of the time its when someone is running with a 3pt backhoe and loader, but all you really need to do is torque the chasis enough and it will happen.

krazykioti · May 15, 2004

Neil,
I have a DK45 with a woods fel. After learning about this problem, should I stay away from mounting a bh on my tractor? Also when I brush hog with my tractor should i remove the fel before use? This has me rather concerned because I bought this tractor to be used for a second income.
If i have to remove the fel every time I use the 3ph this will be a real pain.
Charlie

krazykioti · May 15, 2004

Neil.
I just talked to my dealer at Greenhill Farms .I asked him about this issue. He told me that both Cub Cadet & New Holland have a well known problem of splitting in half with some of their models. He also told me that New Holland will void the warranty on certain models if you mount a bh.
I asked him if I need to be concerned about this happening with my DK45. He told me that my tractor is built strong enough that this will not happen, and that I do not need to worry!

Charlie

RedDog · May 15, 2004

Krazykioti,

No to both questions. You will be just fine.

RedDog

JayC · May 15, 2004

3PH backhoes are very hard on CUTs. Because there is no support for the hoe itself, any stress is exerted on the tractor frame. Subframe mount backhoes are best suited for CUTs. Any stress is exerted on the subframe which mounts underneath the tractor.

Now, John Deere uses what looks like 3PH hoes for their 4000 Ten series (4210-4710). These are NOT 3PH, but rather what they call rockshaft assist. The frame of the tractor is beefed up to support the hoe. This system allows the hoe to be taken on and off effortlessly in a short amount of time. A MMM can be used with the backhoe attached to the machine.

KiotiJohn · May 15, 2004

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Hey Krazy. Neil is not a Kioti Dealer, he sells NH and Kubota.
There is absolutely no reason for you to worry about putting a BH on your Kioti. The BH will have a subframe mount, not 3pt. hitch attachment so most of the stress will be transmitted to the subframe. Of course, anyone must be prudent about how he/she uses the loader. Overstressing the loader by using it improperly can lead to damages of all kinds. Just try not to do a lot of lift bang by lifting the tractor off the ground while digging with the loader. You should have no problems. John

MessickFarmEqu · May 16, 2004

KiotiJohn Hit it on the head, just use your equipment properly and you will not have a problem. Also like he said I deal with NH and Kubota, I have never heard anything about them voiding the warrenty with certian mounts. I will say that we are very hesident to sell a tractor without a subframe mount. Not only because of the strengh issue but because its much more ridgid than a 3pt. Lesson is A - use a subframe unless you have CAT 2 3pt, and B - be smart with the way you use your machine.