Kubota dealer is really starting to piss me off

   / Kubota dealer is really starting to piss me off #141  
I have, several times. Its a "problem" that we're basicly unable to duplicate. We sold 28 standard L's last year and I can't name on person who has complained about this. I suspect the OP probaby has an 0-ring out causing the system to suck air, but on a properly working machine I can't seem to make the 3pt jerk around unless I open the drop valve up the entire way and shove the implement up and down.

I might be able to help on this. One of the problems with hydraulic system design is how to design pressure release port. Particularly that of configuring them to avoid low pressure zones where the fluid can vaporize for an instant. That's always a consideration when hydraulic cylinders hold up a heavy load that then needs to be lowered. Like a 3 pt. cylinder where there is a high gravity load. It's has to do with the vapor pressure of hydraulic oil. You'll also see the problem in FEL bucket cylinders...and especially where there is a lot of load out away from the pivot point .... like happens with some pallet fork attachments.
What happens is you go to let the load down just a little, and no sooner does it begin to move than it suddenly drops a little farther than intended. For an instance it is though there is no resistance. In fact, that is exactly what is happening.
rScotty - an old retired engineer
 
   / Kubota dealer is really starting to piss me off #142  
I might be able to help on this. One of the problems with hydraulic system design is how to design pressure release port. Particularly that of configuring them to avoid low pressure zones where the fluid can vaporize for an instant. That's always a consideration when hydraulic cylinders hold up a heavy load that then needs to be lowered. Like a 3 pt. cylinder where there is a high gravity load. It's has to do with the vapor pressure of hydraulic oil. You'll also see the problem in FEL bucket cylinders...and especially where there is a lot of load out away from the pivot point .... like happens with some pallet fork attachments.
What happens is you go to let the load down just a little, and no sooner does it begin to move than it suddenly drops a little farther than intended. For an instance it is though there is no resistance. In fact, that is exactly what is happening.
rScotty - an old retired engineer

There has never been a reported problem with lowering the 3pt smoothly. They all operate smooth as silk in that mode. The problem is raising the 3pt smoothly slowly. That they will not do. (except for the original posters now that it is "fixed" or replaced or adjusted or what ever they did to it).


James K0UA
 
   / Kubota dealer is really starting to piss me off #143  
I have, several times. Its a "problem" that we're basicly unable to duplicate. We sold 28 standard L's last year and I can't name on person who has complained about this. I suspect the OP probaby has an 0-ring out causing the system to suck air, but on a properly working machine I can't seem to make the 3pt jerk around unless I open the drop valve up the entire way and shove the implement up and down.

Please redo your tests. My 8N does not do this, but my L3700SU does. Start out with the blade just touching the gound like you are making the final pass on your driveway smoothing, and then try to pull it up just enough to clear the gound and see what happens.
Thanks.
 
   / Kubota dealer is really starting to piss me off #144  
I have, several times. Its a "problem" that we're basicly unable to duplicate. We sold 28 standard L's last year and I can't name on person who has complained about this. I suspect the OP probaby has an 0-ring out causing the system to suck air, but on a properly working machine I can't seem to make the 3pt jerk around unless I open the drop valve up the entire way and shove the implement up and down.

In that case, I wish you were a lot closer to me than you are. This is about as smoothly as I can make mine lift, lowering smoothly is no problem. This was taken about 10 minutes ago, 2009 L3400DT.

‪MOV01149‬‏ - YouTube

My local dealer is going to have a look at it on Wednesday, I'm hoping they can "fix" it. Like InthePines said, an old Ford 8N has better three point control than this does. When lifting a 300 pound blade is violent enough to shake a 3000 pound tractor w/loader, it's not exactly "smooth".

Whatever Kubota is doing wrong, it's something they need to correct. Maybe if every new buyer could see this video before they sign the cheque it would have some effect on the situation in Japan.

In all honesty, it isn't fair to the dealers to bear the brunt of a poor design like this. It's a wart on a pretty woman's nose at best, and a dangerous situation at worst.

Imagine asking the engineer that designed this thing to hold his hand between the top of the blade and a fence rail, and telling him you're only going to raise it an inch which should be safe enough. No one in their right mind would leave their hand in place.

It's a wonder no one's lost fingers with one of these, my wife came close last night to getting her hands in where they could have been crushed. If I hadn't known what it was operating like, she easily could have been badly hurt.

If Kubota corporate wants to keep their head in the sand, I guess it's their business. If poor sales don't cure the situation, which is unlikely in this case, then maybe a few million dollar lawsuit will. And frankly, it isn't like the dealers and regional reps haven't been told there's a problem, so pleading ignorance likely won't go very far in the US and Canada anyway.

Firestone nearly went belly-up over poor designs that were dangerous, as did Ford with the exploding Pintos. A lot of people still won't buy Explorers after the underinflated tire debacle a couple years ago.

Let the press get hold of a long-term known design flaw that cost a child their hand in the US, and it's a black eye a Japanese company will have for a long time.

I personally don't hold the dealer network responsible, Neil. You've been saddled with a tough situation and you're dealing with it the best you can. However, more pressure from the dealers to either correct the problem, issue a recall, or discontinue the L series tractors because of an intrinsic design flaw will help us all.

Rant over for today..

Sean
 
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   / Kubota dealer is really starting to piss me off #147  
There has never been a reported problem with lowering the 3pt smoothly. They all operate smooth as silk in that mode. The problem is raising the 3pt smoothly slowly. That they will not do. (except for the original posters now that it is "fixed" or replaced or adjusted or what ever they did to it).
James K0UA

Glad to know that. Then it doesn't sound like it is caused by the vapor pressure problem that I posted. Too bad, as that one is easily fixed. Hope the guys with the jerky 3 pts can get a fix. Smoothly inching the 3pt is essential for good grading.
rScotty
 
   / Kubota dealer is really starting to piss me off #148  
...Smoothly inching the 3pt is essential for good grading.
I would like to nominate that for the understatement of the week!!! :D That was one of the problems I had. Other problem was a couple hundred pounds at the end of a boom pole :shocked:
 
   / Kubota dealer is really starting to piss me off #149  
I went and looked at some of the youtube videos on this 3pt problem and man thats a horrible issue,I thought it was just alittle jerky.How do they get away with it being that bad is it cause the person buying them dont try it before you buy it,seems like even if you found out about it when you got it home you could take it back.
 
   / Kubota dealer is really starting to piss me off #150  
Well after buying my new L3800, im less than happy, i bought the tractor on the 12th on june, and i have had it 2 of those days. the rest of the time they dealer has been trying to figure out how to fix the 3 point hitch be jerky.

I asked them directly about the hitch before i bought it and they said no its fixed and we have not had any problems with the new model L3800 being jerky. Well it is. The dealer says its not right and they will fix it by ordering a new valve.

That was 10 days ago and they are still waiting on the new part to come in to fix it. mean while i went to the dealer to test another L3800 and guess what its still jerky just like mine, So why they are trying to put a new valve on is beyond me. They said the talked to Kubota and the only way to fix it is to get a new vavle (which is BS cause kubota knows what the issue is)

So either the dealer is stalling and lieing or just plain retarded.............but they swear that its a fixable issue that they have never seen before and they will make it 100% right or get me a tractor that does not have a jerky hitch.

Im getting really impateint as they have not called me once in 10 days to let me know what is going on, i have had to call them or stop by there and i get the same answer. "well we are waiting on parts then we can get it fixed right away"

They must think i fell off the Yam wagon

Maybe you did.:D
 

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