L3200/3800/3301/3901 Rear Hydraulic Remotes Install Corrections/Hints

[lennyzx11]

I found this on a past post. Credit goes to KennyD of KennyDs Bolt on hooks fame.

Regen" or the "Regenerative" function of a FEL Valve? Read it here

Regen is a "feature" of most modern FEL (Front End Loader) valves, it's on the Dump (joystick far right) circuit, and is also referred to as "Fast Dump". The reason it is nice to have is that without it, the weight of a filled bucket can actually "pull" the bucket down faster then the fluid can enter the other side of the cylinder, this will create a air pocket and give the bucket a "floppy" feeling until the joystick is held in the dump mode a few seconds to refill the cylinder pushing the air past the seals. So we add "regen" or "regenerative" function to the valve. Regen solves this problem by actually filling both sides of the cylinder at the same time with hydraulic fluid. But how will that work you might ask? Well, because there is more volume on the side of the cylinder that extends it since the rod is taking up space in the other side, it "overpowers" the rod side and lets the cylinder extend-thereby dumping the bucket. So since now both sides of the cylinder are "pressurized", the air pocket can not develop, eliminating the "floppy" bucket syndrome. One other added bonus is that the bucket actually dumps faster due to the higher flow rate required to do all this, that's why it's referred to as "fast dump" sometimes.

 

[lennyzx11]

Just wanted to let everyone know. I called my dealer today and got a quote for the factory rear remote kit with one standard, one detent, and one standard valve. Parts only. $ 2345.00 USD

Shoulda read one float,one detent, & one standard valve.

 

[s219]

Just wanted to let everyone know. I called my dealer today and got a quote for the factory rear remote kit with one standard, one detent, and one standard valve.
Parts only.
$ 2345.00 USD

That seems way too high. Try Messicks as well. That's where I got my kit. They had it shipped to me in a matter of days.

 

[lennyzx11]

That seems way too high. Try Messicks as well. That's where I got my kit. They had it shipped to me in a matter of days.

I emailed them yesterday at same time and am waiting for their quote.

 

[Fallon]

I don't remember what I paid Fit Rite for my whole setup, but I think it was less than that for the whole setup including TnT & the nice valve with 3 spools & a joystick for TnT.

I'm sure mine was harder to install than an OEM kit (especially with the few mistakes I made ordering the wrong fittings), but it wasn't to bad.

I love that joystick for my TnT spools as its so intuitive & can float either cylinder (don't think it can hit the detent for both at the same time because of the joystick though).

My only regret is the cramped spot I put the disconnects at & that causing interference issues between TnT hoses & my quick hitch.

 

[lennyzx11]

Yes, Brian has quoted me by email and it was a significantly lower price. I was/am interested in the "bolt on" factor and the integration into the tractor with the mounting plates. I'm still researching all ideas but Brian's looks to be best. Still waiting on Messicks reply. Gotta admit. Kinda bothers me they never answered and Brian answered within hours!

 

[s219]

Send a PM to Neil Messick directly -- his username here is "MessickFarmEqu". This is a Kubota WholeGoods order, not a parts order.

If my experience holds true, you will pay more for the OEM valves but can save a lot of money doing cylinders yourself, so the total cost will be comparable or less than what I see people post about 3rd party TnT kits. Nothing against Fitrite -- he makes a great product at a very fair price if you need help putting together a turnkey system that is not OEM.

But my advice is to put the $$ into the OEM valve kit where there is a benefit in terms of fit and integration, because it's not time/cost effective to try and match that -- you can spend less but it's not nearly as nice. Top link and side link cylinders and hoses are far more generic, more readily available, and less critical -- don't need a factory fit there. So that's where you makeup the savings. I think I spent less than $300 for both cylinders, and then another $80-90 for custom hoses.

 

[lennyzx11]

Thanks. I just emailed Neil. I'll let you guys know.

 

[lennyzx11]

I did receive a reply back from Messicks yesterday.
Here's the parts only quote from them for my
2015 L3301/HST for three remotes.
1 standard
1 float
1 detent

L7211-549 - First position lever kit
L7212- 371 - 2nd Position stacking kit
L7213 - 371 - 3rd position stacking kit
L7232 - 4 position float detent valve - 310 X3 - 930

For a total of 2,221 - plus shipping.

 

[s219]

Here's what my breakdown was for the L3200 (two valves only):

L7334 1st position standard valve and valve/hose kit $700
L7364 2nd Position stacking kit $80
L7354 Float detent valve and hoses for 2nd position $525

Looks like they are packaging it differently now. The only issue I saw in your quote is that they are assuming three float valves at $310 each. If you want a standard valve (L7231) that would only be $175. The double detent self-cancel valve (L7233) would be $350.

If I duplicate my two-valve setup with the new parts, it would now cost $1405. Was $1305, so only a slight price increase. But they really clobber you for that third valve now. I guess it seems reasonable for two valves, but for three I'd be considering other options. Might come down to how bad you need/want that third valve versus the factory integration. Is it worth the cost to you?