L6060HSTC Initial Impressions

   / L6060HSTC Initial Impressions #21  
@SteveCornell - that big light bar across the front of your cab - did you just remove the factory lights and then install a lightbar - or is there more magic to what you did?

And - what bulbs are you guys using to replace the "bulbs" in the headlights with LED's?

Apparently I have to start ordering a bunch of this crap to make mine all fancy like you guys when it comes in :)

It was a bit involved on the front light bar, it's a 42" curved light bar and I had to fabricate mounts to bolt up to the stock tabs, I also drilled through the heat sinks on the light bar and had to add spacers to keep from collapsing the fins... took some time and fabricating but it was well worth it, it fits good and I think looks good on the tractor, this light bar turns night into day and lights up the sides as well.
this is the light bar I used... Amazon.com: MICTUNING 42" 24W 3B339C Curved LED Work Light Bar Combo Off Road Driving Fog Light, 24-Month Warranty: Automotive
The rear lights were much simpler however and they just bolted on in place of the factory lights, these could be used on the front as well with less work, these are the ones I used on the back.... Amazon.com: LE 9 Inch LED Light Bar 18W Waterproof Driving Spot Light Three Row 18lm for Off-road Truck Car ATV SUV Jeep Cabin Boat: Automotive
 
   / L6060HSTC Initial Impressions #22  
First, nice setup. Awesome to see someone else in WV with the grand series tractor, let alone a cab. When I was shopping it seemed the grand series were rare to be seen. Does the LED bar on the front add any light on the side? I always thought about putting rock/puddle lamps on my last tractor as one of my pet peeves is not being able to see the tires at night. The current cab lights on the Kubota are at least bright enough to dimly light where the tires are running.

I notice you are running chains. Have you found you need them? Thus far I haven't had any slippage on my R4s other than when I've had the loader down too aggressive when pushing snow. The tractor seems to be very stable on my driveway which really impresses me because I was afraid of the R1s on my last tractor in the snow.

I love what you did with the 3rd function switch. That looks so much better, honestly looks like how it should be from the factory. My hats off to you for this, and I'll likely do that when it gets warmer. I notice too you have a little bit of separation on the trim like I had mentioned initially, so perhaps that is just normal for these tractors.

Just a few more things I noticed from today's snow removal not related to your post:

Tractor does gulp diesel, the dash says about .5gal/hour which seems about right for where the gauge is. My dealer was kind enough to send it to me with a full tank when they delivered. I haven't even be running it hard. Thankfully the location for fueling will make it a thousand times easier than my last tractor, where the fill cap was on the hood in front of the dash.

The defogger wires on the left rear window keep coming undone when I open that window. It's rather frustrating. I tugged on the wires some today again to try to get some slack, but I'm afraid to pull on them too much as I don't know what is above in the cab liner that I could break.

The mirrors are so nice to have. Saves a lot of turning around to look back. I noticed the mirrors are spring loaded so they would break away if you tap them on anything, which is really nice.

Matt

Matt,

The 42" curved light bar does a great job of lighting up the front and sides, this thing turns day into night....

On my other tractor I found on ice that the chains helped greatly, I took a couple rather exciting rides without them so since I had them left over from my other tractor decided to put them on, the front chains really help with steering with the front blade on, they really help with traction in the woods too.

I have not had any issue with the defroster wires disconnecting..
 
   / L6060HSTC Initial Impressions #23  
Great write up and I am sure you are going to really enjoy your new machine. I found interesting was the cab light issue, on my M7060 it has 3 positions, on/off and auto with the door and it works great. I may add swap to an LED bulb also. Another is the 3rd function switch, on the M7060 this is a dealer installed option and the Kubota kit they installed the switch is built into the loader handle knob so it is very clean. That handle replaces the factory handle and one would think it would have been the same on your model but I guess not. The rear window defrost kit has also a dealer installed option which required them to replace the 3 rear window panels and also included the higher amp alternator that the dealer replaced prior to delivery. This was a surprise for both myself and the dealer and really made added cost of the rear defrost a great value. I got to use it the first time a few weeks ago on a snowy day and it worked great. Another thing I learned, that make sense, from reading the manual is to leave the cab airflow off recirc except when you need the additional heat or cooling record will provide. It not only, as you already know, helps defogging but also keeps the cab slightly pressurized which keep dust out.
 
   / L6060HSTC Initial Impressions #24  
I bought my L6060 HSTC ROPS (cannot use cab tractors due to continual driving beneath tree limbs) two years ago. The warranty expires tonight.

You are correct. The third function hoses are VERY vulnerable. I installed 90 degree fittings at the bulkhead behind the right front wheel and rerouted the hoses over the top of the HST/rear axle on the right side making the hoses less vulnerable, though attention is still necessary.

You are also correct about the third function switch. It is clearly an afterthought. It is also very fragile. Mine has failed twice so far, was repaired under warranty both times but I am now on my own. The first time that I used it, the switch lens came off and was lost. The lens is not available individually forcing one to buy the entire switch/harness assembly at about $135. The second time, the switch stuck down (would not return to upward position) probably due to dirt getting between the push button and the housing. Again, the dealer replaced the entire switch/harness assembly. The connection between the harness and the switch is VERY fragile and was broken upon removal. Perhaps the switch will hold up better in a cab tractor as it is protected from tree branches, dirt, etc., but it is clearly not up to Kubota (or even Massey Ferguson) standards. I find it completely unacceptable.

That said, the third function system on my M9960 uses the same switch design and I have had no issues with it. The M9960 was bought about two months before the L6060 and is also a ROPS model but I rarely take near trees.

The right side lift arm telescopic limiter failed at the connection to the lift arm and was replaced under warranty. The Woods BB720X mower that I use on the L6060 is heavy but I do not hit things with the mower. I suspect defective steel in the attachment assembly. Time will tell.

It's VERY thirsty. I knew it was thirsty when I bought it but it is considerably more thirsty than expected. It uses nearly three times as much fuel to mow the same areas with the same Woods BB720X mower than did my 2007 MF 533, which it replaced. That said, the long stroke, slow speed, high torque 202 CI NA Perkins engine in the inexpensive and basic 533 (2WD, dry drum brakes, 4X2 crash box, etc.) was quite economical. The good news is that the HST transmission, FWA and other modern features of the 6060 allow me to get the work done in less time and doing so is easier on me.

I bought my 6060 about three months before Kubota extended the power train warranty to five years and did not buy an extended warranty, as being both an engineer and mechanic, I usually do my own repair work. Nevertheless, I thought long and hard about buying the $1600, two year bumper-to-bumper warranty extension but decided against it. Last day to do so was yesterday.

Single regret: If doing so again, I would buy R-1 tires rather than R-4s. The R-4s slip much more easily than expected (knew that R-4s were designed to slip but but had no direct experience with such), even when mowing with FWA (some of my ground is quite steep). I've spoken to my dealer and may buy a set of R-1 wheels/tires for mowing duty. If so, I will keep my R-4s and have the rears loaded for FEL work. I've a Kubota counter weight box filled with 40 lb. (?) bags of playground sand for use with both the 6060 and 9960, but it is a bit of a chore to mount/dismount it so it has not yet been used. I bought it mostly for use with the 9960 when using the grapple bucket

Finally, the draft control is a bit of a Rube Goldberg and I would not buy it again. Moreover, it appears to cause issues with the FEL if all is not PERFECTLY adjusted. This may become an issue, as my 6060 has been back to the dealer twice for draft control/FEL issues, which were repaired under warranty but my warranty is now expired. I would not recommend the optional draft control for anyone's 6060 or similar model.

SDT
 
Last edited:
   / L6060HSTC Initial Impressions #25  
The 3rd function on my 3940 was very clean and as stated above integrated into the joystick... this clamped on switch must be something new...
this is a pic of the 3rd function switch from my old tractor..
 

Attachments

  • P8101148.JPG
    P8101148.JPG
    249 KB · Views: 235
   / L6060HSTC Initial Impressions #26  
Congratulations on the new tractor, I'm in WV as well and just recently traded my L3940 with BH92 backhoe and loader for a new HSTC6060, I got the LA1055 loader with 3rd function and 3 rear remotes.
I have hardly used my backhoe for the last few years so I decided not to go with a backhoe on this tractor.
I replaced the work lights with LED light bars and upgraded the headlight bulbs to LED as well, it makes a BIG difference and provides so much more light.
I've attached a pic of what I did with my 3rd function switch as I did not like it mounted to the lever with the clamp either, my switch was actually bad and the dealer gave me a new one to replace and I decided to drill a hole and mount it as pictured...

Great idea with the third function switch, Steve.

I will do the same with mine.

SDT
 
   / L6060HSTC Initial Impressions #27  
My L6060HSTC was delivered this week, and I have about 5 hours on it now. I figured I would give a rundown of my initial impressions and update as time goes on for anyone else considering such a purchase. I don't do YouTube much so I figured I would basically give a text description of my initial impressions.

The setup is an L6060HSTC, LA1055 loader, BH92 backhoe, 3rd function, rear remotes, wipers, defoggers, and R4 industrial tires.

I bought the same tractor and hoe this past spring. It is equipped the same as yours but without the cab. I have almost 50 hours on it so far with no serious issues. This is the sixth Kubota I've owned and all but one were delivered with minor hydraulic leaks. I could have fixed them myself but since they were new machines, I let the dealer do it. The L6060 is without question the best (and most expensive) Kubota I've owned. There are some differences compared to previous models and it took a bit of time to get used to the new machine. With my limited experience so far, I think you made a great choice.

I also noticed the stiff loader joystick. It will loosen up a bit with use but since it's cable operated, it won't duplicate the positive feel of a joystick directly connected to the loader valve. It takes a bit of time to get the feel of it. You can't beat the convenient location though.

Like you, I kept the BH92 on to check it out before removing it. When I installed the 3pt hitch, I had some trouble since the dealer didn't install the drag link pins and keeper bolts. They fit in blind holes in the brake housing which got fouled with debris and it took a bit of time to clean them out. It might be worth checking. It's also a good idea to keep the parts well greased with anti corrosion lube and keep them in place when using the hoe.

I'm not sure if this will help since I don't have a cab but here is a pic of the 3pt hitch anti sway bar attachment point:

P1060567a.jpg

It may be different on a cabbed model though.
 
   / L6060HSTC Initial Impressions #28  
The middle part of the switch does nothing. It's like the switch was intended for the tractor to have a door sensor, but it doesn't. The manual just says on/off and from reading other posts and videos, apparently the new grand series does not have a door sensor. I definitely see myself tinkering one of these days to add a sensor :)
Verified by reading the books. My M7 is 3 position, on - door - off, but like you found out the L6060 is on - off.
 
   / L6060HSTC Initial Impressions
  • Thread Starter
#29  
Verified by reading the books. My M7 is 3 position, on - door - off, but like you found out the L6060 is on - off.

I was messing around earlier on Messicks trying to find the part for the door sensor on the M series or the older L series. I was curious if it were possible to add the switch and do the wiring to make it work. Never could find a part number. I might fabricate something when it gets warmer.
 
   / L6060HSTC Initial Impressions
  • Thread Starter
#30  
Well, I put a few more hours on it, probably around 10-12 hours now. I've used the tractor for snow removal, moving the manure pile, back blade some frozen ground in the pastures, light debris removal, and moving junk around in the bucket.

I believe I have the hydraulic leak resolved. The leak was coming from the yellow hose on the loader hydraulics where the loader block comes off the tractor equipped hydraulic outputs, which I believe may be the return for the loader up/down cylinder. Hence using the loader more caused it to leak more. I thought the leak was in the crimp, but after further looking at it over a period of a couple days I determined there was fluid around the flange nut. That led me to thinking it was likely not tightened. I got a 22mm crow foot socket adapter and was able to get a 3/8" wrench in there to tighten it about 1/4" with barely any effort. I'm not sure how tight those flange nuts should be so I basically snugged it and left it. I cleaned up the area under the tractor as much as possible and I haven't noticed any new leakage, although sometimes I spot something but I think it is old fluid that I didn't clean up before. I need to wash it but it has been way too cold.

This is where I was talking about regarding where the leak was:

IMG_4553.jpg
IMG_4554.jpg

In testing the loader, I had a pile of 3/4" gravel that I used to get a load, lift it, and let it down. In years of owning tractors, I have never managed to allow gravel or anything else to fall out of the loader onto the hood by accident. I was lifting the gravel extremely high to test the loader circuit and all was well with keeping the bucket level. But I let off the joystick too quickly and it bumped back and gravel went over the top (full bucket) and onto the hood and front frame. It looked like something out of one of the JD advertisements showing off their plastic hood that won't chip. Well, I think those JD guys were onto something, because the Kubota hood and frame did chip when the gravel hit it. Bummer. If anyone has any ideas of how to properly repair that let me know. I didn't notice any dents, just chips. I'm rather peeved at myself for this one as I have never done it before and should have taken smaller bites of the pile not being fully accustom to the loader controls yet. I will say the loader does smoothly curl in and out when raising/lowering as I would expect to keep things from spilling (I don't have the spill guard btw). I could definitely see how you could get yourself into trouble not having the spill guard and forgetting to roll the bucket forward. Honestly the only time I have ever lifted anything that high practically is when I was dumping trash into a dump truck with my last tractor. I was very surprised how high the LA1055 loader could go, let alone lift a full bucket of gravel without any issue.

Here's a picture of the hood:
IMG_4565.jpg

The biggest accident was when I was clearing some light debris in a partially wooded area. I've been clearing back there with my last tractor and went back there yesterday to try to push some stuff aside to make room for a debris pile when my gravel arrives this week. I managed to push against a tree that was probably 6" in diameter and it was dead and frozen and snapped off near the ground. Unfortunately I was downhill, so I raised the loader as quick as I could while reversing about 10' before stopping realizing I could back into something and just had to let the inevitable happen. The tree came down, somewhat controlled pivoting on the loader, and then hit on the top of the cab and thankfully only damaged the front of the cab exterior. I'm not sure if I should consider turning it in to KTAC or just letting it ride for now in case I do something more severe. Honestly I was just thankful to have a cab because without the cab it likely would have missed the roll bar and hit me, likely causing extensive injury. I wasn't really upset it happened, as I definitely was not expecting the tree to move when I was pushing up against it. One thing I did realize though is with the cab you cannot see as far up as with a ROPS. I somewhat think had I noticed the top of the tree was gone I would have been more inclined to know it was dead and not have gotten around it. I've broken a lot of stuff in my years and gotten pretty upset with myself, but this one was definitely a "stuff happens" kind of moment. Honestly I'm surprised the cab held up as well as it did, and I almost wonder had it been warmer (it was about 10F when it happened) if it would have cracked at all.

This is what the front of the cab exterior looked like after it happened:
IMG_4559.jpg
IMG_4560.jpg

I managed to pry the plastic back and push the other piece back in place so it sealed up pretty nice by itself. I haven't tried to put anything on it. I do worry about the cracks long term though.

IMG_4561.jpg

The hood latch still won't release back when closing the hood (without manually pushing the release rod back in). I tried some WD40 white lithium grease on it today but then determined I think the reason why it is sticking is the wire piece that goes to the release looks like it is bent/warped. I don't think the hood latch itself is sticking but I am fairly confident it is the wire piece that goes to it. I think it will likely need removed and bent back straight.

The traction on the R4s has been pretty good. I think the tractor goes better than my NH WM55 in the snow. On the flat on packed snow (basically ice, because we literally cannot walk on it without falling) it goes just fine. My driveway is still a mix of rock and snow, and I haven't had any issues with it. We are supposed to get wet snow tomorrow so I am a bit nervous about that, but we'll see. I did notice when pushing debris in the woods that it felt like I did not have as much push power as I did with the R1s. I found myself spinning the tires in the woods (2-3" of snow on the ground) pushing some of that debris I was clearing. The R1s on my last tractor would have likely either pushed on or tore the ground up.

Fueling the tractor was pretty easy after I got one of the 5 gallon metal Eagle cans. My other Duramax Flo n' Go froze up on me and I've given up on it considering the easy of lifting a jerry can to the Kubota grand series fuel spout. I thought I read something in the manual about being able to turn the key on and it would beep as you put fuel in it and then solid tone when it was full. I had the key on with the tractor shut off but I never noticed it beeping so I just turned it off and filled it with 5 gallons since I knew I had used at least that much. If anyone knows anything about how that process of beeping works, if it does, thoughts would be appreciated.

I used the backhoe to take down a 3" cherry by getting up hill of it, digging down about 3-4" on both sides of the trunk, and pushing it over with the backhoe. I definitely would want to do that some more on smaller trees before attempting to do this on anything larger. I noticed that the tree would spring back pretty quick if the roots were not ready to give and I needed to take another swipe at them. The ground was frozen solid which made it much worse, and I had to take smaller swipes to even get through the top soil. It's crazy how cold it has been over the past two weeks. I played with the hoe above ground just to get a better feel for the controls and also push the cylinders in and out to their max to purge any air. I was hoping this would resolve the issue with the stabilizers continuing to come down overnight, but the stabilizers are unfortunately still falling down overnight.

I have left the auto hi/lo off, as it was driving me nuts. It shifts on me and makes me think the tractor is losing power. I definitely like the hi/lo on the steering column as it makes it easy to hit with your hand as you steer. I have the stall guard on but I'm not sure how well that works as I have the auto throttle on. I have turned the auto throttle off a couple times and found it sometimes more convenient to have it off.

I can see why people still use those knobs to turn the steering wheel. It seems I have to turn the steering wheel more on this tractor than my last tractor, but the Kubota definitely turns a much tighter circle. It was somewhat annoying when I was getting into my manure pile as I had to keep turning around after I got a bite of the pile. I dislocated my elbow years ago and it still bothers me so turning the wheeling that much I could feel it after a while. The tractor turns a nice tight circle and it makes it pretty easy to get into things and around stuff.

After doing the manure I was thinking I would like a lot more front light. That will definitely be in the works for the spring/summer. The back lights don't bother me as much but I'm obviously not back there as much. The cab light is also way too dim and will get replaced with an LED. I was very pleased with the loader response in relationship to steering and general forward movement and it just seemed like things flowed exactly how they should, allowing me to get the manure moving done quicker. I was dumping most of it atop a hill that was literally solid clay last year that I need more organic material on. We got grass growing on it by some miracle but it keeps washing out as the grass is not growing enough on it. I was dumping over our horse fence to the top of that hill and had no issues doing this or even doing it over the snow covered ground.

The only other comment is the interior cab lights. You have to have the front lights on to get the instrument/button lights to come on. Sometimes I don't want the front lights on, and I just want the inside lights on or maybe "parking lights" like a car. My NH used to have that setting on the light control, so you had an on setting before the front headlamps came on like you do in a vehicle. The Kubota doesn't have that and it's annoying because you have to have the front headlights on to get the button controls lit up. Sometimes I'd rather just use the top front cab lights because the front head lamps reflect back off the bucket and make it harder to see sometimes. Also, the hazard light control is very
bright red when the lights are on, and it is annoying because I keep thinking it is one of the regen buttons. I honestly wish the hazard control was somewhere away from the regen buttons to avoid confusion. I also wish the display mode buttons were lit up, as a couple times I have wanted to change something on the instrument panel and I have to turn the interior cab light on to see where the button is to press it. Minor things but nonetheless annoyances.

Overall still very impressed with the tractor for its size, and definitely enjoying the cab as otherwise I would have never had been outside over the past couple weeks. Honestly it has given me a reason to go outside and do something rather than staying inside most of the time. Once you warm up in the cab, you want out to cool down since I have my winter clothes on, and getting out in the cool is actually kind of nice for 5 minutes at a time to take care of something. I think it has been a good investment so I can get things done now during the winter months whereas typically that time would have been lost. Last year the winter was awesomely warm, and thankfully so, as my wife and I had to build our horse fence through last winter. This winter has been the coldest in about 3 years that I recall, as we normally have some cold days but not cold weeks.

Well, that's my thought dump for tonight. My EA wicked grapple is supposed to arrive Wednesday so I'll likely start getting some more work done after then, if it doesn't get too slick out with the expected snow and rain this week.

Edit: One more thought, despite it being less than 10F most times I have started it this week, I have not had any issues with cold weather starting or running after my debacle with the dealer's fuel gelling up. Since I have used the power service treatment that I always use, no issues at all. I let it warm up 5-10 mins depending on how cold it has been that day and haven't had any issues with slow hydraulic response or anything along those lines.

Matt
 

Tractor & Equipment Auctions

2012 Ford Escape SUV (A46684)
2012 Ford Escape...
Skid Steer Rock Digger (A49339)
Skid Steer Rock...
2098 (A46502)
2098 (A46502)
2016 Big Tex 14LX 14ft 7 Ton T/A Dump Trailer (A46683)
2016 Big Tex 14LX...
1671 (A44572)
1671 (A44572)
Pallet of Pigeon Hole Cabinets and Parts Drawers (A45336)
Pallet of Pigeon...
 
Top