I have confirmation of 14 hunters - could be more. I am not sure, but believe he was just "guiding" them to the treestands and they were on their own for lodging/food, etc. The gun hunters were not successful as they had to go to public land to find and kill deer - which pissed them off at $2600/person!
Land lease scam
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dmccarty
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$2600 to go hunting. For White Tail Deer. Wow.
Not including lodging. Seems like the hunters should be going after the guy as well. I just can't imagine spending that kind of money to hunt deer. This guy must be VERY good at lying.
Later,
Dan
Ronbo
Silver Member
I would also immediately post the property No Trespassing, No Hunting. I would also send him a letter to Cease and Desist all hunting and guiding activity on your property. I would send a second (actually first) letter to him informing him that he is breach of contract for hunting rights and has now forfeited any and all claims to hunt on your property.
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and have never played one on TV. I have eaten at Sonic though.
Ron
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and have never played one on TV. I have eaten at Sonic though.
Ron
SnowRidge
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Tororider
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But have you stayed at a Holiday Inn Express lately???
CavinMan
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IANAL but this sounds like criminal fraud to me. Talk to the DA. The interview sounds like the smoking gun you need.
EddieWalker
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$2600 to go hunting. For White Tail Deer. Wow.
Dan,
That's actually pretty cheap. I'd have been cautious because it was such a low price. A guided hunt similar to what he was offering in a good area where bucks in the 150 plus range are taken every year can easily go for $5,000. Hunts where they have taken 180 and bigger whitetails on land that is not high fenced can go for $8,000. Some of those hunts have waiting lists for several years.
If you think that is crazy, a good place to hunt elk with 360 to 370 bulls being taken can go for $15,000 and have five year waiting lists.
A good place to hunt, with lots of animals is not cheap. The landowner limits the number of animals taken and strictly controls what happens on their land. They are in it for the long haul and with proper managment, can maintain taking a limited number of animals every year with the average size of the antlers getting bigger every year. For this level of management and the oportunity to hunt wild, free roaming animals, you will have to pay for it.
Eddie
Looks like I should have checked with Walker-pedia before leasing it out!
I know an old co-worker that has 900 acres in Buffalo county. His group of 5-6 guys gets at least one "Boonie" every year. Nearly everybody gets a "pooper" (Pope & Young) as he calls them, unless they are asleep in the stand.
EddieWalker
Epic Contributor
Hi John,
Wisconsin is a well known state for record book whitetails. A good property with book animals on it is worth more for hunting then it is for cattle!!!! I have no idea what your friend charges for hunts on his land, but he'd get those prices as an outfitter guiding hunts. What the outfitters pay the landowners is a mystery, just as what the actual wholesale price is on the stuff we buy. Hunters are williing to pay top dollar to hunt a quality ranch with minimal preasure and quality animals. The money is out there, and those with it don't have a problem spending it for the overall experience. Even if they don't get an animal.
Quick side note:
Every year, there are special tags given out for fund raising that allow hunters with that special tag to hunt a certain animal in areas that might not be open to the general public, have longer seasons or just be a rare tag for a species with very few tags available for it. Most states have these tags and they sell for big money at auctions. Things like the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, Safari Club International, Ducks Unlimited and other organizations like that who raise money to help out the wildlife and ensure that they are there for future generations of hunters. A few years ago, a tag was offered in Alberta to hunt Big Horn Sheep. There was a ram that was known to live in Banff National Park that would be the new world record if a hunter was able to get him. The tag was for the land outside of the Park and good for several months. A big name movie producer ( I don't know his name) paid $330,000 for that tag. He then spent somewhere close to two months on the mountain watching that ram across the Park boundry. He never got a shot at him and refused to shoot a lesser ram. That money went to the charity and that ram lived another year.
There's allot of money in hunting if you have the land or access to good hunting land. It's also allot of work keeping everyone happy. Some outfitters are very good because they limit hunts and put in the effort to satisfy their clients. It's not always about getting an animal, but giving them an experience that they enjoy. Other outfitters are trying to make a buck and will kill anything that moves. It's like any business in that regard, both good and bad.
I've hunted most of the Rocky Mountain States, Alaska, Canada, Namibia and New Zealand. I've seen good and bad, had great times and missereable ones. I spent allot of money on some hunts and came home empty handed. It hurts, but I'm a trophy hunter and not going on these trips just to kill an animal. I want one that I can put on the wall. It doesn't have to be book, but it does have to be a trophy in my eyes. I have some book animals, but have never entered them, and don't plan on doing so.
Eddie
Wisconsin is a well known state for record book whitetails. A good property with book animals on it is worth more for hunting then it is for cattle!!!! I have no idea what your friend charges for hunts on his land, but he'd get those prices as an outfitter guiding hunts. What the outfitters pay the landowners is a mystery, just as what the actual wholesale price is on the stuff we buy. Hunters are williing to pay top dollar to hunt a quality ranch with minimal preasure and quality animals. The money is out there, and those with it don't have a problem spending it for the overall experience. Even if they don't get an animal.
Quick side note:
Every year, there are special tags given out for fund raising that allow hunters with that special tag to hunt a certain animal in areas that might not be open to the general public, have longer seasons or just be a rare tag for a species with very few tags available for it. Most states have these tags and they sell for big money at auctions. Things like the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, Safari Club International, Ducks Unlimited and other organizations like that who raise money to help out the wildlife and ensure that they are there for future generations of hunters. A few years ago, a tag was offered in Alberta to hunt Big Horn Sheep. There was a ram that was known to live in Banff National Park that would be the new world record if a hunter was able to get him. The tag was for the land outside of the Park and good for several months. A big name movie producer ( I don't know his name) paid $330,000 for that tag. He then spent somewhere close to two months on the mountain watching that ram across the Park boundry. He never got a shot at him and refused to shoot a lesser ram. That money went to the charity and that ram lived another year.
There's allot of money in hunting if you have the land or access to good hunting land. It's also allot of work keeping everyone happy. Some outfitters are very good because they limit hunts and put in the effort to satisfy their clients. It's not always about getting an animal, but giving them an experience that they enjoy. Other outfitters are trying to make a buck and will kill anything that moves. It's like any business in that regard, both good and bad.
I've hunted most of the Rocky Mountain States, Alaska, Canada, Namibia and New Zealand. I've seen good and bad, had great times and missereable ones. I spent allot of money on some hunts and came home empty handed. It hurts, but I'm a trophy hunter and not going on these trips just to kill an animal. I want one that I can put on the wall. It doesn't have to be book, but it does have to be a trophy in my eyes. I have some book animals, but have never entered them, and don't plan on doing so.
Eddie
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Eddie that is an impressive collection. Is that a Bison in the middle? Amazing how large its head is.
