Lifespan of Trailer Tires

   / Lifespan of Trailer Tires #61  
Speed may have something to do with it, as does weight and proper inflation. And perhaps the manufacturers are not making ST tires as good as before, but I'd find that hard to believe since they've obviously improved other tires.

I bought a 32' fifth-wheel in the Fall of 1988. It had two 3500# axles, the mobile home type wheels, and bias ply load range C tires. Of course, we were a bit overloaded; living full time in it with generator, washer/dryer, etc. And I failed to weigh it initially, but after ruining a couple of tires enroute to Alaska in 1990, I found that we actually were running with 7,300# on the axles and 2500# on the pin, so technically we were only 300 pounds overweight, but of course some rough roads had an effect, too, broke 2 shock mounts, also. However, Goodyear had just come out with the first radial ST tires; the Marathons, so when we came south again, I planned to change some things. After considering heavier duty tires and springs and talking to the trailer manufacturer as well as Dexter Axle folks . . . well, we just replaced everything from the frame down; new custom built 5,200# axles with the 6000# tubes, bigger hubs and brakes, and D rated Marathon tires, and of course different wheels. That was done in Elkhart, IN. I'm not sure how many miles we put on it in the next year, but we went on to West Virginia, to Dallas, to the Texas Coast, back to Dallas, and the next April to Alaska, then in September back to Las Vegas where we traded the truck and trailer for a motorhome. So we'd driven in Texas heat and I know it was 5 below zero when we entered Alaska from Canada, so we'd traveled quite a few miles, in heat and in cold, usually driving the speed limit and never had a tire problem. Of course when I bought the Marathons, I bought 5 of them, but the spare was never taken off the spare rack.

So I only had good things to say about the Goodyear Marathons, but I was running considerably below their rated weight capacity AND that was more than 20 years ago, so I don't know how much has changed since then, but obviously a few things have changed.:laughing:
 
   / Lifespan of Trailer Tires #62  
Do you find the same lifespan on trailer tires with a G rating and 14ply? I have two dully Gooseneck trailers with ST 235/80 R16 LRE tires and one bumper pull 10K dump trailer at 235/85 R16 LRG 14 ply but G rated, However, my biggest concern now is that I will have to replace all the tires on my gooseneck trailers as the tires are six years old? I also just converted my older Metavic log loader onto a new trailer (see below) and used 10ply tires and possibly should of gone to G rated ones? Given the two older GN trailers are six years old with the original tires would I get a longer lifespan from G rated trailer tires or is it just the nature of the beast? I will never use the trailers enough to wear out the tread but can't be without them for transporting my equipment. The trailers do sit outside all the time but when not being used are empty (no load). Thanks Log Trailer (2).jpg
 
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   / Lifespan of Trailer Tires #63  
Do you find the same lifespan on trailer tires with a G rating and 14ply. I have three two large Gooseneck trailers with ST 235/80 R16 LRE and then a smaller bumper pull 10K dump trailer at 235/85 R16 LRG 14 ply tire and I must admit that G rated tire has held up much better. However, my biggest concern now is that I will have to replace all the tires on my gooseneck trailers as the tires are close to six years old? I also just converted my log loader onto a new trailer (see below) and used 10ply tires and possibly should of gone to G rated ones? as the as two of the trailers are now six years old with the original tires. Do I get any more life from G rated trailer tires or is just the nature of the beast? The trailers do sit outside all the time but when not being used are empty (no load). Thanks<img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=314198"/>

Time is usually the limiting factor but going with the heaviest load rating for your wheels and axles is always a good idea.

Chris
 
   / Lifespan of Trailer Tires #64  
Do you find the same lifespan on trailer tires with a G rating and 14ply? I have two dully Gooseneck trailers with ST 235/80 R16 LRE tires and one bumper pull 10K dump trailer at 235/85 R16 LRG 14 ply but G rated, However, my biggest concern now is that I will have to replace all the tires on my gooseneck trailers as the tires are six years old? I also just converted my older Metavic log loader onto a new trailer (see below) and used 10ply tires and possibly should of gone to G rated ones? Given the two older GN trailers are six years old with the original tires would I get a longer lifespan from G rated trailer tires or is it just the nature of the beast? I will never use the trailers enough to wear out the tread but can't be without them for transporting my equipment. The trailers do sit outside all the time but when not being used are empty (no load). Thanks<img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=314198"/>

With a trailer like yours, if you are doing short trips and don't mind a few road side break downs. I'm basing on the fact that your trailer has duals and double axle, lots of redundancy and likely used under capacity. I'd probably wait until the second tire failure than replace them all. Jmo.
 
   / Lifespan of Trailer Tires #65  
There are much better products out there than Slime for your tires. I have been to a few tire shops that once they saw the slime oozing out, they filled the tire back up with air and sent me packing.

There are products that claim to help keep the tires cooler when running and to help preserve the life of the rubber as well as to help stop flats when accidentally running over nails or similar objects.
 
   / Lifespan of Trailer Tires
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#66  
I run tubless slime in my tractor tires. At 22 PSI it does the job for the occasional nail.
 
   / Lifespan of Trailer Tires #67  
I do not like the idea of replacing 16 tires that appear in great shape but I hate even more the thought of a blowout on the highway when your towing a trailer loaded to nearly 20K?. When I use the trailers I am seldom light on my trailer loads so like the orginator of this thread this will be expensive! If I never come close to wearing out the tires and it is just a matter of time then going to G-rated 14 ply tires would not really help me as far as the lifespan. I have so far had no problems with the 10 ply E rates tires. As far as my log trailer I wish I had put G-rated tires on them as they get abused and I am close to capacity at times. Anyway thanks for all the good advice.
 
   / Lifespan of Trailer Tires #68  
Lost a trailer tire today 205/75/15 Douglas wally world special 4 tires for 100 bucks installed 8/82005 loaded the L5740 on the 16 ft trailer for a trip to the dealer for a loader valve issues. i got 5 miles from home never exceded 50 mph.poof..
Guess age and weight got another.....limped it home and went to wally world paid 75 out the door for a replacement didnt have the douglas got a good-for year. Got the job done. Think I will look for three more and just swap them out later.
 
   / Lifespan of Trailer Tires
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#69  
Great info from everyone. I am thinking that since my tractor is under 2000lbs and that the trailer and tires are good for over 4000lbs that if I have to I can make the 48 mile trip to the dealer at 50 or less and will be fine even if I lose one along the way.

This is the trouble w owning trailers that do not get used much.
 
   / Lifespan of Trailer Tires #71  
Beg everyone's pardon if somebody already offered this info, since I didn't read every post, but I was told that although sunlight, heat and every other insult that has been mentioned in this thread cause tire problems, ozone in the air is a problem for rubber and tire fabrics, too. If you can get years of trouble free service from older tires, great, but I wouldn't count on it. I had some winter tires for our Passat wagon, hardly used, stored on steel wheels in the barn 9 months every year, and after 10 years, with almost all their tread on them, they were garbage. Certainly not over weighted or over speeded, just rotted from the vapors in the air. (no animals in the barn, save mice and the occasional cat.)
 
   / Lifespan of Trailer Tires #72  
In the 70's I worked at a parts and restoration shop for antique cars...

My boss bought a military lot of new/never used WWII 16" tires like the kind that went on jeeps and their trailers...

These tires were over 30 years old and not a bad one in the lot and I know several that are still being used today and that would make them close to 70 years old...

I'm 100% confident long lasting/aging tires can be made because we have made them in the past.

Down at the national guard armory there is a row of 6x6 trucks from the end of Viet Nam and they still have 40 year old tires on them... probably always will.

No telling how many times the carcasses at the tire recapper across the street from where I worked were recycled...

The family 35hp "Ski" boat from 1958 still sports the 1958 15" wide white Goodyear tires on the trailer 54 years...

The problems with tires today have to be with the way the tires are being made... just an inferior product in many cases.
 
   / Lifespan of Trailer Tires #73  
I'm 100% confident long lasting/aging tires can be made because we have made them in the past.



The problems with tires today have to be with the way the tires are being made... just an inferior product in many cases.


Blame clean air and the EPA....

Chris
 
   / Lifespan of Trailer Tires #74  
Slime is just one of many brands of stuff to put in tires to stop them from leaking, and my experience has been that there really isn't a single one of them worth buying. When I was a fleet manager, I was given some other brands to try in my own tires, and I doubt that I'll ever waste money buying another one.

I have used High Lifter ATV Tire sealant with great results in ATV and mower tires- Much better than Slime, but I'm not sure how it would perform in other tires.
 
   / Lifespan of Trailer Tires #75  
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This is the original spare tire on our utility trailer, bought in 1994. Never been on the ground. 0 miles. Blew up last summer, while attached to the front wall of the trailer. Goodyear Marathon.
 
   / Lifespan of Trailer Tires #76  
My cargo trailer, which I use for work daily, was about 18 months old with approximaely 20-25 k miles on it. The tire tread was seperating between the treads. Those tires were always aired up to 50 psi(side wall rating) and never overloaded. So i guess I will be replacing those often.
 
   / Lifespan of Trailer Tires #77  
Everything said on here based on my experience is spot on...
My fifth wheel camper tires are ST's and in my experience the heat and speed are what kills them in addition to sun degradation...
If I would get a newer camper I would install LT's if possible but that would require a trailer with 16 " rims...

Bought a fifth whl 29' camper and it had Carlisle 1st. tire went out at 350 miles camper almost empty. 2nd tire next day.Bought replacements
at farm tire store they pointed out 3rd tire had a potato sized knot in side. had the remaining 2 Carlisles removed and hole cut in side wall to prevent some one else form using .Dealer explained to me the tires were warrienty to 1st. owner even new I was the 2nd.
couple of years later looked at new camper had Carlisles told dealer would not trade with someone that had such little reguard for owners on pulling campers on the highways.
Michliens doesn't make tires for r.v.campers .
Have not had problems with Towmax tires.
ken
 
   / Lifespan of Trailer Tires
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#78  
I recall reading about a fellow who got a pair of 2nd hand never used front tires for his BX. The bead wires came undone when he had them mounted. Carlisle sent him new tires.

Dealer explained to me the tires were warrienty to 1st. owner even new I was the 2nd.

I would have contacted Carlisle directly as the above does not sound right. Note that I am not a big fan of their tires but still.
 
   / Lifespan of Trailer Tires #79  
I recall reading about a fellow who got a pair of 2nd hand never used front tires for his BX. The bead wires came undone when he had them mounted. Carlisle sent him new tires.

I would have contacted Carlisle directly as the above does not sound right. Note that I am not a big fan of their tires but still.

Being in the trailer business I hate Carlisle. Pure junk. I had a new tri-axle 18K trailer bought in Nov 2004. By August the next year I had lost 3 tires. 2 more were bad when replaced. I keep the spare and it too failed a few years later not even touching the ground.

The trailer was 18K but never loaded beyond 15,600#.

I bet I have seen this 30 to 50 times with Carlisle Tires. Goodyear Marathon's are not much better.

Chris
 
   / Lifespan of Trailer Tires #80  
I am extremely biased against Goodyear tires of any kind. Bought F350 new, First tire developed a separation at 6 months, took to GY dealer, replacement warranty prorated cost to me was about $100, tire looked superb to me but dealer measured where separation was, thus wear there. Each of the other tires developed separation way too early in their life, including spare. Never went back to GY dealer. Knew their warranty was useless to me.

My recollection, perhaps faulty but I don't think so, is it was Goodyear tires that blew out on SUV's causing rollovers and law suits. Out of that came the TPMS system we all love.

I recall reading at the time that during manufacture GY employees were directed to "pop" air bubbles between layers of cords with an ice pick to maintain manufacturing volume.

Goodyear tires?:thumbdown: Not if you want to have a good year:2cents:
 

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