Loader lift capacity on Grand L 5460/6060 HST cab

[PA hayseed]

Something to consider might be an aftermarket loader for a new tractor. An example would be a Westendorf TA-111 FEL as shown in the attached link which I recently added to my "loaderless" Mahindra 3015.
The Mahindra ML110 loader for the 3015 is rated at 1350 lbs at the pin at full height while the TA-111 is rated at @ 2100 lbs at that point and the same 2000 PSI relief setting. (interpolated the TA-111 specs of two given PSI)

I did some measuring of the actual geometry of the 2" bore lift cylinders and loader arms on the Mahindra/TA-111 this morning and came up with these numbers with the BUCKET ON THE GROUND:

Breakout force at bucket pins--4158 pounds
Breakout force at 24" ahead of pins--2955 pounds

I realize that the loader loses capacity as it raises so I also did the calcs with the bucket FULL RAISED:

Fully raised at the bucket pins --2163 pounds
Fully raised at 24" ahead of pins--1540 pounds

Might also mention that the Westendorf TA-111 is 97" from ground to pins at full height where the Mahindra ML110 is shown at 95.5".

The 2955 pounds breakout force must be adjusted for weight of the attachment, weight of half of the loader arm length and friction. I would estimate that at about 600 pounds leaving @ 2355 pounds of actual lift capacity at ground level and 24" ahead of the pins.

TA-111 | Westendorf
TractorData.com Mahindra 315 tractor attachments information

Might mention that the TA-111 is one of the smaller Westendorf (Onawa, IA) loaders.
1 Series | Westendorf

Edit: Loaders and specs to fit various tractors can be found here:
Loader Selector | Westendorf

I did consider this for th yanmar I was looking at, but the local dealer said that I wouldn't be able to get the LU series on the tractor I was looking at at the time. He said that wood's horsepower guide is a rough estimate. THe lc108 and lc114 (catalog sitting on desk) are rated at 1950 lift cpacity ahead of bucket pins. I'm guessing that witha slight bump in the loader pressure, it could do 2400 easy. Another thing on my to do list. Just cut grass for 6 hours today. THen went to work in my garden. The LU132 and LU215 numbers (2400) are solid without messing with the pressure.

I do appreciate the numbers you provided.

 

[PA hayseed]

High Lifter | Westendorf

Never considered this option. Thanks npalen for the link. another option to explore.

 

[Fallon]

Just remember it's not always loaded capacity that's the issue. Front axle capacity, tire capacity, transmission/engine flange capacity, ballast capacity... All of those may be the limiting factors rather than the loader or hydraulics themselves.

The lift capacity on my Grand is comparatively less than my L3200 was comparatively. The Grand is double the weight, but only something like 35-45% more lift capacity. On the L3200 with max lift even with proper ballast the back tires would slide sideways. With really heavy ballast the back end still got REALLY light. The loader & hydraulics were not the weak spot. Either the ability to put ballast on the back was or a structural part of the machine I couldn't obviously identify. Doing the max lift I can get off the ground with moderate ballast on the Grand feels more solid than minor lifts on the L3200.

 

[npalen]

Just remember it's not always loaded capacity that's the issue. Front axle capacity, tire capacity, transmission/engine flange capacity, ballast capacity... All of those may be the limiting factors rather than the loader or hydraulics themselves.[/B

True that! It was definitely a concern for me seeing that the Westendorf loader was so much higher capacity than the stock Mahindra loader for the 3015. I feel much more comfortable now after using the loader quite a bit with heavy loads on the 66" skid steer style bucket. Don't have any tire ballast just use the box blade for counterweight.

I was looking to see what loaders Westendorf recommended for the Yanmars and see the TA-111A listed for the Yanmar YM226 which is only 22HP and about 800 pounds less tractor weight than my 30HP Mahindra. The TA-111A is the same loader except wider subframe to accommodate the side exhaust.

 

[npalen]

High Lifter | Westendorf

Never considered this option. Thanks npalen for the link. another option to explore.

There is a lot to be said for lifting with the rear rather than the front of the tractor. For one thing, it is much easier to see the forks on the rear and would rather see the weight on the rear tires. Might require some front ballast, however.
I have no affiliation with Westendorf but I can say that my loader is very well built.

 

[JimP]

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I purchased my L6060 HST and LA1055 FEL in 2017 also from Marshall Machinery. They are only a mile down the road from my place. My 48" pallet forks appear to be identical to the one in your picture. The 1730# max lift capacity I tested was with the max recommended 2600# of pressure measured at the FEL port.

I would love to know how you manage to lift 500+# more than my nearly identical machine. I know it is possible to bump up the FEL port pressure by 10% or so above max. Perhaps that is what Marshall did with your 5460. Do you have a way of testing it? I'll ask about a possible modification to my L6060 next time I'm at the dealer.

I was also surprised at how stable the L6060 was handling the (albeit slightly less) load with a 1000# implement on the 3pt.

In any case, thanks for posting your results.

Interesting. My hydraulic pressure is 2800 psi at 2000rpm and 2900 psi at 2500 rpm.



My previous 5240 HSTC with the same forks and ballast would not pick up a 2000 pound load but Daves does. My 5460 picks up a 2000 pound load but others don't.
A little extra hydraulic pressure may be the difference.

Jim

 

[LD1]

Late to the thread, but I wouldn't rule anything out until trying in person.

Looking at the specs, I see no reason why the loader shouldn't lift a ton off a trailer.

The geometry of a loader is that the higher you lift, the less capacity you have.

Sure, at 500mm forward it's only an 1800# rated loader.

But at ground level it's over 3000#
And at a height of 1500mm (about 5') it's still 2400# @500mm

I don't see your trailer exceeding 5'

My mx has similar loader. While I don't lift palletized material so never have accurate weights....I have no doubt I'd lift 2000# pallets if needed with ssaa forks.

Heck, my old L3400 lifted 1300# pallets with clamp on bucket forks. And the mx is way stronger

 

[bdhsfz6]

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Interesting. My hydraulic pressure is 2800 psi at 2000rpm and 2900 psi at 2500 rpm.

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My previous 5240 HSTC with the same forks and ballast would not pick up a 2000 pound load but Daves does. My 5460 picks up a 2000 pound load but others don't.
A little extra hydraulic pressure may be the difference.

Jim

In reading various posts on FEL capacity over the years, I've come to the conclusion that the max lift ability varies greatly even between identical tractor / FEL combinations. Hydraulic pressure is likely the biggest variant but there are others to consider.

Pallet size and weight distribution can also affect capacity. The farther forward the center of mass is from the pivot point, the less the FEL will lift.

Obtaining the actual weight of your test pallet is another issue. Keep in mind, if using the bill of lading or shipping receipt to determine weight, those figures are often inflated.

Thanks again for posting your pressure. I'll try bumping mine up a bit and do my brick test again.

 

[MHarryE]

I had a L5740 and now have a L6060. They both handle a ton on a pallet the same - 2000 pound tote of wheat seed on a pallet, will lift enough of the pallet so I can slide it on machine shed floor but cannot raise it to any significant height. The forks were not lightweight but were not extremely heavy. Using those on my M7 I managed to break both forks off and now have 7,000 pound capacity forks that really eat up capacity when used on the L6060. However I do have lightweight bale spear for the L6060 that will lift the same tote off the pallet and raise it to trailer height.

 

[dstig1]

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Interesting. My hydraulic pressure is 2800 psi at 2000rpm and 2900 psi at 2500 rpm.

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My previous 5240 HSTC with the same forks and ballast would not pick up a 2000 pound load but Daves does. My 5460 picks up a 2000 pound load but others don't.
A little extra hydraulic pressure may be the difference.

Jim

Interesting. Mine does lift a lot more than I expected it would. Perhaps the pressure is set high, but i do not know as i have neither measured it nor adjusted it myself. Maybe the dealer tweaked it up on setup, but they did a few mickey mouse things that would indicate that they weren't the kind of detail people that would think to tweak the loader for max lift...