Looked and finally bought

[aesanders]

Well it is a he said she said. I also know a "guy" that is a great friend of my dads that is on the top floor at CAT, and he says, Hitachi has a HUGE piece of Deere, so who knows. 90% of there tractors are made over seas anyway, so they are about as American as the rest. There are lots of people in CAT's pockets too, they also JUST about tanked many times in the last 15 years.

Also I was not kidding my dad is at the Deere plant in Iowa right now, or he was at least Saturday, he knows a few of those fellas also. Deere about went under a few years ago, someone bailed them out. But we will never know. Someone infused a ton of money years back, and from the Edgar records, it is not clear who'm bought up the fluff.

It's a mystery!!!. Anything under a 100 h.p is foreign to the bone, so **** nothing is made in the US anymore, Honesty do we make anything anymore? I bet there is not one American Flag made in the US.
It is sad. I am going to learn Arabic so I can fit in.

You have alot of mis-information.

Deere has been strong for a long time. They make many under 100 hp machines in the U.S. and are actually bringing more production back to the states recently. Now my 2320 was made by Yanmar in Japan, but some of the other machines like the 4000 series were Yanmars but are now mostly made in the U.S.

 

[pholt]

Well I guess we all have opinions, and discussions like this usually are endless. Deere has been in financial trouble for years so has CAT. Have you ever been to the Deere plant in Iowa?, or the Cat plant. My father has been in commercial farming for years, not like me and most people on this board, that have a one tractor, I am in the same boat, I am not a commercial farmer.

I grew up with 1000+ acres in my back yard and a cattle farm in WhiteOak that is 25,000 acres, needless to say my father knows a few things about Tractors, and when you go to buy 6 $165k tractors at one time, you dont deal with the un-informed fool at the Local Deere store peddling retail junk. They fly you in, and kiss your rear, trying to get the deal. Now I am no John Deere hater, they MAKE GREAT large machines and always have, the only reason my dad bought CASE and Massey, is because they met his terms and prices, and when my dad knew Deere was in financial trouble is when his Deere reps jumped off there soap boxes and under cut Case and Massey, and they were giving it away in the late 80's and mid 90's. My dad has lots of friends that are commercial farmers and he has a saying "the guys that owned the John Deeres leased them, the guys that owned Ford, Case, and Massy owned them" I dont know what it means but he has said it a LOT!! They were all good, my dad griped when the front axle snapped on one of our 1971 Massey 165's 2 month ago moving a molded wet soaked 2000lb bale of hay??? It has 8000 hours on it, HARD HOURS, and he thinks that is no acceptable. Oh my, but he is old school...


My dad used to visit to the cat plant all the time, I "think" he told me the main HOLDING lot is 650 acres. He visited one more time before he retired, it was grown up in weeds and a few D10's setting in the corner and I remember telling me how sad it looked compared to there hayday. Now CAT has made a HUGE comeback in the last 10 years, HUGE!!!

And Aesanders, MY DAD just left the John Deere plant in Iowa Friday or Sat, I think. He is trying to work a deal for a friend while he is at a old folks motor home convention in Forest City, Ia and he was told QUOTE "JOHN DEERE "PRODUCES" NOTHING UNDER 100 H.P IN HOUSE, NOTHING", and i think my dad said "really?"

If it were not true I honstly do not know why He would say it. I think it is smart, CAT does not make its smaller equipment aka Challenger line, it is Made by Massey Ferguson, or at least it is there design, CAT, Massey or ELVES are putting it together who knows where , you can paint it any color you want it is a Massey. I say go CAT stick with what you are good at. And CAT has no business making 35 h.p tractors in plants with 500 ton overhead cranes!

CAT and DEERE, almost tanked trying to re-invent the wheel, You cant cast a 40 h.p engine in a US plant with US steel, compared to buying a engine that is JUST as good from someone else that "sells engines", You do know at one Time a John Deere was BUILT soley by John Deere, EVERYTHING, No one can afford to do that now, there is way too much competition, so why not buy a front axle from DANA, and not make it yourself, they all got smart and did. It took a long time for John Deere to break that mold. I love how Deere did it, they built it all, that is how they controlled quality, but it is just not possible in this era, with the computer age a guy in bejing can make a part fit just as good as a guy at John deere and if it just as good and he can buy it for half what they can make if for they will, AND DO. There might be some fat guy like me in Deluth putting it toghether but it is not made here.

sorry for the typos....

You have alot of mis-information.

Deere has been strong for a long time. They make many under 100 hp machines in the U.S. and are actually bringing more production back to the states recently. Now my 2320 was made by Yanmar in Japan, but some of the other machines like the 4000 series were Yanmars but are now mostly made in the U.S.

 

[pholt]

Case is still built here right. I know Mahindra built tractors for them, in Korea during the war, and then Mahindra bought the plant Aka, how Mahindra came about, but Case is still built here right?

All I could find was that Deere agreed to do some joint ventures with Hitachi. I'd bet that Deere is still an American company.

My Case 580 Super M is under 100HP (95) and is American made. Even the smaller straight 580 M version (82HP) is American made. It has some foreign parts, but the engine is a Consolidated (Cummins) 4BT diesel. The heavy steel has "made in USA" stamped all over it. Has made in Racine, Wis. on it. JCB just opened one of the biggest most automated tractor plants in the world in Georgia (or one of the southern states) to build JCB backhoes here and they're an English company. NH backhoes were made in Italy for many years. I just read they opened a huge plant in the midwest and have started to build them here.

Lots of CUTs have American Perkins diesel engines in them.

I agree most of the small AG stuff has a ton of foreign parts in them, but with some American parts and assembly.

 

[Builder]

I think you're a good guy, but you rely too much on "street talk" and urban myth for your news. You made 2 pretty bold statements that Hitachi bought John Deere and there's NO tractors under 100 HP made in the USA.

Hitachi does not own John Deere. There are some tractors under 100HP still made in the USA. Just check your facts before you make statements like that.

 

[RoyJackson]

Builder, have you decided which tractor you're going to buy yet?
Just curious...

 

[BobG_in_VA]

Case is still built here right. I know Mahindra built tractors for them, in Korea during the war, and then Mahindra bought the plant Aka, how Mahindra came about, but Case is still built here right?

Sorry, but Mahindra is not in Korea (they're in India), they built Willys jeeps after WWII under lic in their own plant in India...that's how they got started. They then built International (not Case) tractors under IH lic starting in the '60s. Now they build their own larger utility tractors in India. BobG in VA

 

[RoyJackson]

I don't know why these guys feel like the only way they can justify their purchases is by criticizing or providing false or misleading info about other brands.
When I read these kinds of post, my first thought is they're actually sales guys trying to drum up support.
Fortunately, folks who do this are a small minority.

 

[pholt]

Now hold on, I am not justifying my purchase, I was giving a fair review. Roy how many tractors do you own? Since I was born I can count that we have had around 35, I was just suprised at how well this tractor was built for the money that is ALL, We have 4 brand new Massy Fergusons that are NO DOUBT nicer tractors, but this is a nice machine too.
That's it I am no salesman.

I don't know why these guys feel like the only way they can justify their purchases is by criticizing or providing false or misleading info about other brands.
When I read these kinds of post, my first thought is they're actually sales guys trying to drum up support.
Fortunately, folks who do this are a small minority.

 

[pholt]

Builder who else would you take it from, I am telling you what my dad told me, he is 73 years old and had farmed his whole life.

Statement Clarification: Hitach owns a PIECE of John Deere, I dont know how much, but from what I have heard a LOT. My dad is a HUGE investor in farming, he apparently knows.

OK I AM GOING TO TYPE IN CAPS BECAUSE I AM ANGRY, THAT EVERYONE ON THIS PLANET THINKS WHAT THEY THINK, "IS RIGHT" I AM NOT ANGRY AT YOU GUYS, YOU ALL SEEM GREAT I AM ANGY AT THE MISINFORMATION ALL OVER THE WEB, LET ME GIVE YOU THE FACTS AND THE PHONE NUMBERS YOU CAN CALL TO SEE IF I AM FULL OF POO. I ONLY TELL 100% OF THE TRUTH 100% OF THE TIME!!!!

FACTS
JOHN DEERE DOES NOT MAKE ANYTHING UNDER 100 H.P IN THE US.
JOHN DEERE ENGINE POWER FACTORY'S (THE ONLY ONES ON THE PLANET)
WATERLOO, IA THEY MAKE ALL ENGINES FROM 200 TO 600 H.P ONLY
(8.1,9.0,12,13.5 L ENGINES)
WHERE ARE THE SMALL ENGINES MADE: TOYO MEXICO
WHERE IS THE OTHER JOHN DEERE ENGINE FACILITY: SARAN, FRANCE

GUYS CALL JOHN DEERE ENGINE POWER, I CALLED MY DAD HE GAVE ME THE NUMBER FOR JOHN DEERE ENGINE PLANT IN WATERLOO, IA AND THE NAME OF THE MARKETING MANAGER, HER NAME IS LYNETT DICKENSON, THE NUMBER IS 319-(I came back and edited this out, my father gave me a internal non-published John Deere number and i just about gave it out to the world, pick a person to call and proove I am wrong and I will give it to them, and if I am wrong I will eat my keyboard)

NOW BEFORE YOU CALL AND BOTHER THIS NICE LADY WITH A STUPID QUESTION THINK FIRST, HAVE ONE CREDIBLE PERSON CALL, THAT YOU WOULD ALL BELIVE. IF YOU ABSOLUTELY THINK I AM FULL OF CRUD, THEN CALL AND BE POLITE AND SHE WILL KINDLY TELL YOU. JOHN DEERE DOES NOT MAKE ONE STINKING ENGINE UNDER 100 H.P IN THE US. ACTUALLY I LIED JOHN DEERE DOES NOT MAKE ONE ENGINE UNDER 200 H.P IN THE US.

I ALSO WANT TO CLARIFY MADE " I DO NOT MEAN FOUNDED IN MEXICO AND PUT TOGETHER IN TOLEDO, THE JOHN DEERE FOUNDRY LOCATED IN WATERLOO, IOWA THE ONLY JOHN DEERE FOUNDRY IN THE USA, DOES NOT MAKE SQUAT FOR TRACTORS UNDER 200 H.P. PERIOD. "So it aint made here jack" (sorry for the humor!!

FACT, FACT FACT. Sorry for the yelling, but I hate misinformation and what I say is always checked out or I wont open my mouth.

You all seem like great guys, but make sure your facts are straight before you say "myth".

I need to go to work.
Paul

I think you're a good guy, but you rely too much on "street talk" and urban myth for your news. You made 2 pretty bold statements that Hitachi bought John Deere and there's NO tractors under 100 HP made in the USA.

Hitachi does not own John Deere. There are some tractors under 100HP still made in the USA. Just check your facts before you make statements like that.

 

[pholt]

And to follow up on that, I do not have to justify my purchase, when Kubota came out I said the same thing my father did "junk, jap tractor" Well well well, we were all wrong, Kubota is one of the best machines on the market and they have earned there wings, I am sure other tractor manufactures will follow in there footsteps soon. Also Roy when I buy anything, I do like I VOTE, I check it out, I just do not jump down party lines and go. Most John Deere guys go green there whole lives and never look at anything else, same goes with others, I honestly dont care what name is on the side, or what color it is. I want the best for the money, and this time John Deere or Massey fell WAY behind, I would have rather had a Massey but it did not compare for the money, it was a HONEST review, and I honestly did not want a TYM, but i would have had to be blind and stupid not to buy it. Either of those I am not yet.

Careful about your statement, "guys like this" So far I am right, and you do not know me. I gave a FAIR FACTUAL evaluation of several tractors of which
price was not an issue, and we all know if it has John Deere on the side or NH, it is HIGH, that is a fact. Dont judge before you know. And if this tractor falls apart I WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO TELL YOU. People on this planet embellish the truth, the romanticize the past and inflate there gas mileage, because it makes them feel better, I dont. IF it turns into a flaming pile of junk, I will say it is....

I don't know why these guys feel like the only way they can justify their purchases is by criticizing or providing false or misleading info about other brands.
When I read these kinds of post, my first thought is they're actually sales guys trying to drum up support.
Fortunately, folks who do this are a small minority.