If resell value was such an important aspect in the purchase because of a large turnover rate in tractors there would be a lot more used ones on the market. Used newer tractors are hard to find, especially CUTs.
Mahindra Tractors Quality and Reliability?
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MessickFarmEqu
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Occasionally I wander to the Kubota area and read about crooked loader mounts on a L3400 or problems with the jerky three-point on the L2800, etc. )</font>
While this is certianly true, Kubota does have 60% of the compact tractor market. You would think that if everything was created equal they would also have 60% of the complaints and reported problems on this forum. However even with a million tractors sold over the last 30 years, and 120,000 powered units sold yearly today you see maybe a handful of issues crop up online every week. Each brand does excels in different areas. For kubota one of those is reliability. You sure can't fault them for building a darn reliable tractor at an extremly competitive price. Perfect - no, but it sure does not get much better.
Btw, the jerky 3pt problem was fixed on the assembly line quite awhile ago with a replacment kit for any machines that did have that issue. The crocked loader was on a B3030. That was one individual and it turned out that his mount was welded wrong and it was replaced under warrenty.
While this is certianly true, Kubota does have 60% of the compact tractor market. You would think that if everything was created equal they would also have 60% of the complaints and reported problems on this forum. However even with a million tractors sold over the last 30 years, and 120,000 powered units sold yearly today you see maybe a handful of issues crop up online every week. Each brand does excels in different areas. For kubota one of those is reliability. You sure can't fault them for building a darn reliable tractor at an extremly competitive price. Perfect - no, but it sure does not get much better.
Btw, the jerky 3pt problem was fixed on the assembly line quite awhile ago with a replacment kit for any machines that did have that issue. The crocked loader was on a B3030. That was one individual and it turned out that his mount was welded wrong and it was replaced under warrenty.
Travis_R
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When I bought my used 485 last year, I had no thoughts of what re-sale might bring because I didn't buy it to sell it later.
Will I keep my tractor for life? No, but when its time for another one, it'll definitely be a Mahindra.
People at work really irritate me about my Mahindra. I think they know it gets next to me because I know what my tractor will do and what it has done. Comments like "You should've bought a Kubota.....or, one that really gets me is, "My daddy has had his John Deere for".......... Yeah yeah. I've heard em' all. Most of the people who talk don't even have ANY tractor of their own. I get hot in the head on this subject.
Any way, I am the 3rd owner of my tractor. I bought it with 879 hrs. in February of last year. Now, 233 HOURS LATER (1,112 hrs. on meter), it has give me 2 problems: A blown charge light indicator bulb, and a pto shaft seal that started leaking (both are fixed now). Under $20.00 to fix.
I wil put my tractor up against any other brand/color/horsepower in the same 'class' as mine with full confidence it will come out the winner. I'm that confident. I'm a full-fledged Mahindra believer!
ANYONE WANT TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PHONE, SEND ME A PRIVATE MESSAGE AND/OR E-MAIL AND I'LL GIVE YOU MY NUMBER. WE'LL TALK MAHINDRA!
Thanks Mahindra,
Travis
Will I keep my tractor for life? No, but when its time for another one, it'll definitely be a Mahindra.
People at work really irritate me about my Mahindra. I think they know it gets next to me because I know what my tractor will do and what it has done. Comments like "You should've bought a Kubota.....or, one that really gets me is, "My daddy has had his John Deere for".......... Yeah yeah. I've heard em' all. Most of the people who talk don't even have ANY tractor of their own. I get hot in the head on this subject.
Any way, I am the 3rd owner of my tractor. I bought it with 879 hrs. in February of last year. Now, 233 HOURS LATER (1,112 hrs. on meter), it has give me 2 problems: A blown charge light indicator bulb, and a pto shaft seal that started leaking (both are fixed now). Under $20.00 to fix.
I wil put my tractor up against any other brand/color/horsepower in the same 'class' as mine with full confidence it will come out the winner. I'm that confident. I'm a full-fledged Mahindra believer!
ANYONE WANT TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PHONE, SEND ME A PRIVATE MESSAGE AND/OR E-MAIL AND I'LL GIVE YOU MY NUMBER. WE'LL TALK MAHINDRA!
Thanks Mahindra,
Travis
DavesTractor
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Resale discussion
jwcinpk,
Refer to the link above for a baseline on resale of any item when you are competeing against low finance rates.
Messick,
Many complaints about crooked loaders in the Kubota section, not just one on a single 3030. Even so, you are right that Kubota sells a tremendous amount of tractors with few problems. They are the benchmark in the small tractor world and do a great job, but they aren't perfect either. Note I am not trying to stir things up nor did I may a post in the Kubota section about the problems. That is the nice thing about this site. It is made up of "communities" of people. We certainly are all free to post where we want, but using some discretion keeps things friendly.
jwcinpk,
Refer to the link above for a baseline on resale of any item when you are competeing against low finance rates.
Messick,
Many complaints about crooked loaders in the Kubota section, not just one on a single 3030. Even so, you are right that Kubota sells a tremendous amount of tractors with few problems. They are the benchmark in the small tractor world and do a great job, but they aren't perfect either. Note I am not trying to stir things up nor did I may a post in the Kubota section about the problems. That is the nice thing about this site. It is made up of "communities" of people. We certainly are all free to post where we want, but using some discretion keeps things friendly.
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Yeah I read the post you refer to the first time, Dave. I'm just on the other side of the coin. I don't blame you guys for wanting to make money. I understand the whole concept! All I said was maybe we all should be thinking about resale/trade at time of purchase.
JerryG
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This is my take on the resale point. It isn’t pointed at anyone person. Having worked at a dealership and been around farm equipment all or almost all of my life, this is the conclusion that I have come to. The more that an owner pays for a tractor above the median for that size and horsepower, the more they tend to mention resale as one of the reasons for purchasing. It also seems that they aren’t always honest about buying it because of better resale. It is one of the ways that they justify paying more than others paid for a similar piece of equipment. I am not saying that it is always that way, but it is what I have observed over the years. Over paying for a similar piece of equipment has to be justified somehow. This is pointed mostly at over priced manufactures but not totally. Many times it also happen with in a brand. If there are two series offered and they both can do the same job, many times resale value will be overstated in an effort to justify “WANTING” more bells and whistles or the more expensive series. The resale value card is played all to often when it actually have very little to do with it in many cases.
dbear
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Well put, JerryG...
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( It is one of the ways that they justify paying more than others paid for a similar piece of equipment. I am not saying that it is always that way, but it is what I have observed over the years. Over paying for a similar piece of equipment has to be justified somehow. )</font>
I'd always heard the exact opposite; that is that the people who claim to have no interest in resale are just trying to convince themselves as to why they just took it in the shorts on something what will be worthless in 10 years. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Hey, they have to justify their purchase somehow. Hmm, funny how it fits both ways, huh?
I'd always heard the exact opposite; that is that the people who claim to have no interest in resale are just trying to convince themselves as to why they just took it in the shorts on something what will be worthless in 10 years. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Hey, they have to justify their purchase somehow. Hmm, funny how it fits both ways, huh?
JerryG
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A lot of the resale deal has as much to do with bragging rights as anything else. The ones that don’t boast resale are looking for a good value above those bragging rights. It is like the gentleman above that posted about how well he liked his tractor, but people at this job in essence put it down. He bought a tractor that he is happy with, a tractor that does what he needs it to do and he got it for less money than the tractors that were poked at him. The tractor fits him. So what if he won’t get as much at resale, he didn’t pay as much for it either. What else can a tractor or any piece of equipment do? We get to wrapped up in brand names and not enough attention is paid to the individual aspects of the equipment. That is to compare how the axles are built, the loaders are designed, the smoothness of the engine, the torque output, the cost of replacement parts, Etc. But, you can’t compare different parts of different brands of tractors, because if you do, you get flamed.
When I was looking for a tractor and browsing old posts on different models I considered I found that many people who who purchase a higher priced machine tended to mention resale value, whereas those who were looking for the best value for their money didn't. For example, people who purchased the JD 990 didn't mention resale value, but those who purchased a 20 series tractor mentioned resale value. This is quite humorous, as there weren't any resale value statistics on the new 20 series for which to base their conclusion. The same thing held true for those purchasing the Kubota GL series, instead of the L series. People purchasing the GL mentioned resale value, people purchasing the L series didn't.
I could have spent an extra $5000 or more on a tractor to do the exact same things my tractor currently does, that would have had a higher resale value. I also would have lost more money in the process. A $25,000 tractor that loses 20% of its value has lost the same amount of money that a $20,000 that loses 25% of its value loses, $5,000. If the $25,000 tractor loses 40% of its value over a set amount of time, and they do, it has lost $10,000. The $20,000 tractor would have to lose 50% of its value over the same time to lose $10,000 off its value.
IMO, if you look at the number of tractors sold by any dealership that offers new and used units for sale you will find that the majority of them sell far more new units than used. I live in rural Eastern Kentucky, which is loaded with tractors of all makes and sizes. You simply don't find that many used tractors for sale that aren't a couple of decades old, unless they are new tractor trades, of any kind.
Posts here at TBN seem to back up my assertion, as most TBNers have purchased new tractors, rather than used.
Tractors tend not to be purchases like automobiles, which are kept for a few years, then another purchased to take its place. Tractors are only traded or sold when they reach the point that they no longer do what we want them to do. Usually this means that someone wants a bigger tractor, smaller tractor, or one with different features. Very often if the tractor is paid for it isn't traded in, but is kept for use as a second, third, fourth tractor, etc.
What I liked best about my 4110 is of the tractors I tried out, and I tried out a lot of them, the 4110 was the only larger CUT that had the feel of weight and stability of the utility sized tractors I have been used to using on the farm. The 40 HP range larger CUTS from the other manufacturers felt way too light, and would slide when applying the brake to stop them in a flat gravel parking lot. That told me that when stopping on a hill with the weight of an implement to push the tractor I could easily end up at the bottom of a hollow. The 4110 was physically the largest of the 40 HP CUTS I looked at, and was much bigger than some of them. Things that I would have to pay extra to get on some of the machines was standard on the 4110.
I've got a nice tractor, paid what I consider a good price for it (especially given what came standard on the tractor), and it does what I want it to do.
Most of all I am thrilled with my purchase a year later, and that pleases the person that counts, me. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
I could have spent an extra $5000 or more on a tractor to do the exact same things my tractor currently does, that would have had a higher resale value. I also would have lost more money in the process. A $25,000 tractor that loses 20% of its value has lost the same amount of money that a $20,000 that loses 25% of its value loses, $5,000. If the $25,000 tractor loses 40% of its value over a set amount of time, and they do, it has lost $10,000. The $20,000 tractor would have to lose 50% of its value over the same time to lose $10,000 off its value.
IMO, if you look at the number of tractors sold by any dealership that offers new and used units for sale you will find that the majority of them sell far more new units than used. I live in rural Eastern Kentucky, which is loaded with tractors of all makes and sizes. You simply don't find that many used tractors for sale that aren't a couple of decades old, unless they are new tractor trades, of any kind.
Posts here at TBN seem to back up my assertion, as most TBNers have purchased new tractors, rather than used.
Tractors tend not to be purchases like automobiles, which are kept for a few years, then another purchased to take its place. Tractors are only traded or sold when they reach the point that they no longer do what we want them to do. Usually this means that someone wants a bigger tractor, smaller tractor, or one with different features. Very often if the tractor is paid for it isn't traded in, but is kept for use as a second, third, fourth tractor, etc.
What I liked best about my 4110 is of the tractors I tried out, and I tried out a lot of them, the 4110 was the only larger CUT that had the feel of weight and stability of the utility sized tractors I have been used to using on the farm. The 40 HP range larger CUTS from the other manufacturers felt way too light, and would slide when applying the brake to stop them in a flat gravel parking lot. That told me that when stopping on a hill with the weight of an implement to push the tractor I could easily end up at the bottom of a hollow. The 4110 was physically the largest of the 40 HP CUTS I looked at, and was much bigger than some of them. Things that I would have to pay extra to get on some of the machines was standard on the 4110.
I've got a nice tractor, paid what I consider a good price for it (especially given what came standard on the tractor), and it does what I want it to do.
Most of all I am thrilled with my purchase a year later, and that pleases the person that counts, me. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif