If resell value was such an important aspect in the purchase because of a large turnover rate in tractors there would be a lot more used ones on the market. Used newer tractors are hard to find, especially CUTs.
Mahindra Tractors Quality and Reliability?
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MessickFarmEqu
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Occasionally I wander to the Kubota area and read about crooked loader mounts on a L3400 or problems with the jerky three-point on the L2800, etc. )</font>
While this is certianly true, Kubota does have 60% of the compact tractor market. You would think that if everything was created equal they would also have 60% of the complaints and reported problems on this forum. However even with a million tractors sold over the last 30 years, and 120,000 powered units sold yearly today you see maybe a handful of issues crop up online every week. Each brand does excels in different areas. For kubota one of those is reliability. You sure can't fault them for building a darn reliable tractor at an extremly competitive price. Perfect - no, but it sure does not get much better.
Btw, the jerky 3pt problem was fixed on the assembly line quite awhile ago with a replacment kit for any machines that did have that issue. The crocked loader was on a B3030. That was one individual and it turned out that his mount was welded wrong and it was replaced under warrenty.
While this is certianly true, Kubota does have 60% of the compact tractor market. You would think that if everything was created equal they would also have 60% of the complaints and reported problems on this forum. However even with a million tractors sold over the last 30 years, and 120,000 powered units sold yearly today you see maybe a handful of issues crop up online every week. Each brand does excels in different areas. For kubota one of those is reliability. You sure can't fault them for building a darn reliable tractor at an extremly competitive price. Perfect - no, but it sure does not get much better.
Btw, the jerky 3pt problem was fixed on the assembly line quite awhile ago with a replacment kit for any machines that did have that issue. The crocked loader was on a B3030. That was one individual and it turned out that his mount was welded wrong and it was replaced under warrenty.
Travis_R
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When I bought my used 485 last year, I had no thoughts of what re-sale might bring because I didn't buy it to sell it later.
Will I keep my tractor for life? No, but when its time for another one, it'll definitely be a Mahindra.
People at work really irritate me about my Mahindra. I think they know it gets next to me because I know what my tractor will do and what it has done. Comments like "You should've bought a Kubota.....or, one that really gets me is, "My daddy has had his John Deere for".......... Yeah yeah. I've heard em' all. Most of the people who talk don't even have ANY tractor of their own. I get hot in the head on this subject.
Any way, I am the 3rd owner of my tractor. I bought it with 879 hrs. in February of last year. Now, 233 HOURS LATER (1,112 hrs. on meter), it has give me 2 problems: A blown charge light indicator bulb, and a pto shaft seal that started leaking (both are fixed now). Under $20.00 to fix.
I wil put my tractor up against any other brand/color/horsepower in the same 'class' as mine with full confidence it will come out the winner. I'm that confident. I'm a full-fledged Mahindra believer!
ANYONE WANT TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PHONE, SEND ME A PRIVATE MESSAGE AND/OR E-MAIL AND I'LL GIVE YOU MY NUMBER. WE'LL TALK MAHINDRA!
Thanks Mahindra,
Travis
Will I keep my tractor for life? No, but when its time for another one, it'll definitely be a Mahindra.
People at work really irritate me about my Mahindra. I think they know it gets next to me because I know what my tractor will do and what it has done. Comments like "You should've bought a Kubota.....or, one that really gets me is, "My daddy has had his John Deere for".......... Yeah yeah. I've heard em' all. Most of the people who talk don't even have ANY tractor of their own. I get hot in the head on this subject.
Any way, I am the 3rd owner of my tractor. I bought it with 879 hrs. in February of last year. Now, 233 HOURS LATER (1,112 hrs. on meter), it has give me 2 problems: A blown charge light indicator bulb, and a pto shaft seal that started leaking (both are fixed now). Under $20.00 to fix.
I wil put my tractor up against any other brand/color/horsepower in the same 'class' as mine with full confidence it will come out the winner. I'm that confident. I'm a full-fledged Mahindra believer!
ANYONE WANT TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PHONE, SEND ME A PRIVATE MESSAGE AND/OR E-MAIL AND I'LL GIVE YOU MY NUMBER. WE'LL TALK MAHINDRA!
Thanks Mahindra,
Travis
DavesTractor
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Resale discussion
jwcinpk,
Refer to the link above for a baseline on resale of any item when you are competeing against low finance rates.
Messick,
Many complaints about crooked loaders in the Kubota section, not just one on a single 3030. Even so, you are right that Kubota sells a tremendous amount of tractors with few problems. They are the benchmark in the small tractor world and do a great job, but they aren't perfect either. Note I am not trying to stir things up nor did I may a post in the Kubota section about the problems. That is the nice thing about this site. It is made up of "communities" of people. We certainly are all free to post where we want, but using some discretion keeps things friendly.
jwcinpk,
Refer to the link above for a baseline on resale of any item when you are competeing against low finance rates.
Messick,
Many complaints about crooked loaders in the Kubota section, not just one on a single 3030. Even so, you are right that Kubota sells a tremendous amount of tractors with few problems. They are the benchmark in the small tractor world and do a great job, but they aren't perfect either. Note I am not trying to stir things up nor did I may a post in the Kubota section about the problems. That is the nice thing about this site. It is made up of "communities" of people. We certainly are all free to post where we want, but using some discretion keeps things friendly.
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Yeah I read the post you refer to the first time, Dave. I'm just on the other side of the coin. I don't blame you guys for wanting to make money. I understand the whole concept! All I said was maybe we all should be thinking about resale/trade at time of purchase.
JerryG
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This is my take on the resale point. It isn’t pointed at anyone person. Having worked at a dealership and been around farm equipment all or almost all of my life, this is the conclusion that I have come to. The more that an owner pays for a tractor above the median for that size and horsepower, the more they tend to mention resale as one of the reasons for purchasing. It also seems that they aren’t always honest about buying it because of better resale. It is one of the ways that they justify paying more than others paid for a similar piece of equipment. I am not saying that it is always that way, but it is what I have observed over the years. Over paying for a similar piece of equipment has to be justified somehow. This is pointed mostly at over priced manufactures but not totally. Many times it also happen with in a brand. If there are two series offered and they both can do the same job, many times resale value will be overstated in an effort to justify “WANTING” more bells and whistles or the more expensive series. The resale value card is played all to often when it actually have very little to do with it in many cases.
dbear
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Well put, JerryG...
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( It is one of the ways that they justify paying more than others paid for a similar piece of equipment. I am not saying that it is always that way, but it is what I have observed over the years. Over paying for a similar piece of equipment has to be justified somehow. )</font>
I'd always heard the exact opposite; that is that the people who claim to have no interest in resale are just trying to convince themselves as to why they just took it in the shorts on something what will be worthless in 10 years. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Hey, they have to justify their purchase somehow. Hmm, funny how it fits both ways, huh?
I'd always heard the exact opposite; that is that the people who claim to have no interest in resale are just trying to convince themselves as to why they just took it in the shorts on something what will be worthless in 10 years. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Hey, they have to justify their purchase somehow. Hmm, funny how it fits both ways, huh?
JerryG
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A lot of the resale deal has as much to do with bragging rights as anything else. The ones that don’t boast resale are looking for a good value above those bragging rights. It is like the gentleman above that posted about how well he liked his tractor, but people at this job in essence put it down. He bought a tractor that he is happy with, a tractor that does what he needs it to do and he got it for less money than the tractors that were poked at him. The tractor fits him. So what if he won’t get as much at resale, he didn’t pay as much for it either. What else can a tractor or any piece of equipment do? We get to wrapped up in brand names and not enough attention is paid to the individual aspects of the equipment. That is to compare how the axles are built, the loaders are designed, the smoothness of the engine, the torque output, the cost of replacement parts, Etc. But, you can’t compare different parts of different brands of tractors, because if you do, you get flamed.
When I was looking for a tractor and browsing old posts on different models I considered I found that many people who who purchase a higher priced machine tended to mention resale value, whereas those who were looking for the best value for their money didn't. For example, people who purchased the JD 990 didn't mention resale value, but those who purchased a 20 series tractor mentioned resale value. This is quite humorous, as there weren't any resale value statistics on the new 20 series for which to base their conclusion. The same thing held true for those purchasing the Kubota GL series, instead of the L series. People purchasing the GL mentioned resale value, people purchasing the L series didn't.
I could have spent an extra $5000 or more on a tractor to do the exact same things my tractor currently does, that would have had a higher resale value. I also would have lost more money in the process. A $25,000 tractor that loses 20% of its value has lost the same amount of money that a $20,000 that loses 25% of its value loses, $5,000. If the $25,000 tractor loses 40% of its value over a set amount of time, and they do, it has lost $10,000. The $20,000 tractor would have to lose 50% of its value over the same time to lose $10,000 off its value.
IMO, if you look at the number of tractors sold by any dealership that offers new and used units for sale you will find that the majority of them sell far more new units than used. I live in rural Eastern Kentucky, which is loaded with tractors of all makes and sizes. You simply don't find that many used tractors for sale that aren't a couple of decades old, unless they are new tractor trades, of any kind.
Posts here at TBN seem to back up my assertion, as most TBNers have purchased new tractors, rather than used.
Tractors tend not to be purchases like automobiles, which are kept for a few years, then another purchased to take its place. Tractors are only traded or sold when they reach the point that they no longer do what we want them to do. Usually this means that someone wants a bigger tractor, smaller tractor, or one with different features. Very often if the tractor is paid for it isn't traded in, but is kept for use as a second, third, fourth tractor, etc.
What I liked best about my 4110 is of the tractors I tried out, and I tried out a lot of them, the 4110 was the only larger CUT that had the feel of weight and stability of the utility sized tractors I have been used to using on the farm. The 40 HP range larger CUTS from the other manufacturers felt way too light, and would slide when applying the brake to stop them in a flat gravel parking lot. That told me that when stopping on a hill with the weight of an implement to push the tractor I could easily end up at the bottom of a hollow. The 4110 was physically the largest of the 40 HP CUTS I looked at, and was much bigger than some of them. Things that I would have to pay extra to get on some of the machines was standard on the 4110.
I've got a nice tractor, paid what I consider a good price for it (especially given what came standard on the tractor), and it does what I want it to do.
Most of all I am thrilled with my purchase a year later, and that pleases the person that counts, me. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
I could have spent an extra $5000 or more on a tractor to do the exact same things my tractor currently does, that would have had a higher resale value. I also would have lost more money in the process. A $25,000 tractor that loses 20% of its value has lost the same amount of money that a $20,000 that loses 25% of its value loses, $5,000. If the $25,000 tractor loses 40% of its value over a set amount of time, and they do, it has lost $10,000. The $20,000 tractor would have to lose 50% of its value over the same time to lose $10,000 off its value.
IMO, if you look at the number of tractors sold by any dealership that offers new and used units for sale you will find that the majority of them sell far more new units than used. I live in rural Eastern Kentucky, which is loaded with tractors of all makes and sizes. You simply don't find that many used tractors for sale that aren't a couple of decades old, unless they are new tractor trades, of any kind.
Posts here at TBN seem to back up my assertion, as most TBNers have purchased new tractors, rather than used.
Tractors tend not to be purchases like automobiles, which are kept for a few years, then another purchased to take its place. Tractors are only traded or sold when they reach the point that they no longer do what we want them to do. Usually this means that someone wants a bigger tractor, smaller tractor, or one with different features. Very often if the tractor is paid for it isn't traded in, but is kept for use as a second, third, fourth tractor, etc.
What I liked best about my 4110 is of the tractors I tried out, and I tried out a lot of them, the 4110 was the only larger CUT that had the feel of weight and stability of the utility sized tractors I have been used to using on the farm. The 40 HP range larger CUTS from the other manufacturers felt way too light, and would slide when applying the brake to stop them in a flat gravel parking lot. That told me that when stopping on a hill with the weight of an implement to push the tractor I could easily end up at the bottom of a hollow. The 4110 was physically the largest of the 40 HP CUTS I looked at, and was much bigger than some of them. Things that I would have to pay extra to get on some of the machines was standard on the 4110.
I've got a nice tractor, paid what I consider a good price for it (especially given what came standard on the tractor), and it does what I want it to do.
Most of all I am thrilled with my purchase a year later, and that pleases the person that counts, me. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
JerryG
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<font color="blue"> Most of all I am thrilled with my purchase a year later, and that pleases the person that counts, me. </font>
Good deal..
Good deal..
flyers
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Dargo are you saying the Mahindra will be worthless in 10 years.
wow this must be one of the most active threads in a while, the post have been great, quite entertaining, almost knockdown and drag out /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif. well to answer the original question, the reliability is good as any in my opinion based on people that i knew who had a mahindra tractor including myself. i have a couple of buddies that have a couple of thousand hours on theirs and they are still ticking. all of the owners that i know including myself do lots of log skidding and bushhogging. i am from louisiana and well their are an ocean of tractors and dealers to observe. even though i only mention my buddies that own mahindra's i have many more that own other brands, which cover the whole spectrum (ford, new holland, mf, kubota, kioti, long, farmtrac){and oh don't correct me on who owns who or who is not made anymore i am fully aware i am simply naming names on the side of the machine that my friends own} i like my mahindra as much as any of my friends like their machine, mine doesn't seem to breakdown anymore or less then theirs. i bought my machine because of the great price on the package deal which was much less than any of the other brands that i could get a package deal price on (to be exact 3000 was as close as any could come, the most was 6000) i have only owned my machine a short while, but then again i am speaking about the friends of mine who have owned theirs for years. i do love my mahindra, i get compliments on it all the time for what it can do it suprises people just how well it performs. good luck hope you find what you are looking for.
bluechip
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Well said Jerry. Another factor is that resale values have been based on years of inflation and price increases in tractors. I have seen some 30 year old tractors sell for what they did new, not sure that is a function of resale value or infaltion. The fact is no one really knows what the resale value on any tractor sold today will be. Low rate financing and the perceived advantage of new over slightly used will always result in a loss the first couple years. Its like Harley motorcyles, people buy them because they want to be known as owning one among thier peers, they justify it by the "resale value" so long as the market is growing, and new prices are going up, it works....
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Dargo are you saying the Mahindra will be worthless in 10 years. )</font>
I don't think he said that at all.
Basically, his point is that if you were to take comparitive models of tractors (for sake of argument: JD, Kubota, and Mahindra) and compared the depreciated value of the tractors in 10 years then it is highly likely that the JD and Kubota tractors will have higher re-sale values than the Mahindra.
Since this thread is in the Mahindra forum you are going to see a lot of Mahindra Flag Wavers that are blind to fair and honest criticism (I'm not even sure that Dargo has criticised Mahindra). In 10 years your Mahindra will be worth something. If the Mahindra USA corporation is able to build up it's dealer network and make them comparable to the big three then your Mahindra may be worth more. If Mahindra and Mahindra decide to close up Mahindra USA then your tractor will lose value.
Corporate and Brand reputation are often big issues in establishing value of items.
Personally, I think Dargo has done a good job of offering up an outsiders perspective of the brand. Hopefully, Mahindra USA is aware of these points and working to improve them.
PB
I don't think he said that at all.
Basically, his point is that if you were to take comparitive models of tractors (for sake of argument: JD, Kubota, and Mahindra) and compared the depreciated value of the tractors in 10 years then it is highly likely that the JD and Kubota tractors will have higher re-sale values than the Mahindra.
Since this thread is in the Mahindra forum you are going to see a lot of Mahindra Flag Wavers that are blind to fair and honest criticism (I'm not even sure that Dargo has criticised Mahindra). In 10 years your Mahindra will be worth something. If the Mahindra USA corporation is able to build up it's dealer network and make them comparable to the big three then your Mahindra may be worth more. If Mahindra and Mahindra decide to close up Mahindra USA then your tractor will lose value.
Corporate and Brand reputation are often big issues in establishing value of items.
Personally, I think Dargo has done a good job of offering up an outsiders perspective of the brand. Hopefully, Mahindra USA is aware of these points and working to improve them.
PB
<font color="red"> Personally, I think Dargo has done a good job of offering up an outsiders perspective of the brand. Hopefully, Mahindra USA is aware of these points and working to improve them. </font>
I agree for the most part. Dargo is here just sharing his views and experiences just like all the rest of us. I often find myself on the disagreeing side of Dargo's and Bob Skurka's opinion just like many others. However, I respect their opinion and years of experience and learn what I can from them and I hope they show me the same respect. To this day I have gotten nothing but that from them. If Dargo and Bob have faults, I think it's that in their eyes they call a spade a spade sometimes. Sometimes in life we have to do that. Sometimes when I do it I get labled and A$$H0!e. That's they way it is. Now I am not saying there are any of those here, because there are not. Just people with differing opinions and experiences. Sorry I got off on a rant here, but I am a little tired of the almost child like arguing that has occurred in several forums lately, not just this one. I think we all need to step back and remember the golden rule.
I can hear the Jerry Chant now.. "Go To OPRAH" lol have a good one all....
I agree for the most part. Dargo is here just sharing his views and experiences just like all the rest of us. I often find myself on the disagreeing side of Dargo's and Bob Skurka's opinion just like many others. However, I respect their opinion and years of experience and learn what I can from them and I hope they show me the same respect. To this day I have gotten nothing but that from them. If Dargo and Bob have faults, I think it's that in their eyes they call a spade a spade sometimes. Sometimes in life we have to do that. Sometimes when I do it I get labled and A$$H0!e. That's they way it is. Now I am not saying there are any of those here, because there are not. Just people with differing opinions and experiences. Sorry I got off on a rant here, but I am a little tired of the almost child like arguing that has occurred in several forums lately, not just this one. I think we all need to step back and remember the golden rule.
I can hear the Jerry Chant now.. "Go To OPRAH" lol have a good one all....
hipapa12
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I'm just following up after several days absence & I guess I'm surprised at all the conversation over the issue of resale (I'm the one who first made the comment that Mahindra resale is definetly lower than JD or K). Seems to be a very sensative subject with current M owners. Its interesting to see the number of folks who say they buy with no concern for resale since they plan to keep their tractor "forever"? As one who is still in the mkt for a CUT and is trying to figure out the "best deal", I'd say resale is very important since its a key ongoing indicator of what the market thinks of this item in terms of overall quality, durability, product support, etc. compared to its competition. I have a friend who owns a large nursery & tree farm operation. He only buys JD's & Kubota's because if he needs parts or service, he can get it immediately (especially with the JD's). Not so with other brands, including M's (there actually is a M delearship 10 min away, but small operation with only one mechanic). M is going to have to really do a quantum leap in their dealership & product support network to play with the big-boys. Of couse when they do, they'll be able to command the resale (and new price) that the bigger players enjoy. All that said, in my opinion, and for my application, when it comes to buying new, M would be an excellent overall value since I don't need instant service & overnite parts support like the commercial folks and serious farmers need. But I won't keep it forever either. So a good used lower hour JD or Kubota that already has the new-price premium removed, but still will keep its resale premium, may be the better value for me.
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( So a good used lower hour JD or Kubota that already has the new-price premium removed, but still will keep its resale premium, may be the better value for me.)</font>
You make some valid points. However, what I found in my area (new/used prices vary greatly depending on region) was that I could buy a brand spanking new Mahindra for about the same price as a comparably equiped (HP, weight, etc.) used low hour JD or Kubota. Plus, I could get great financing rates on the new unit that wasn't available on the used units. Taking the financing into consideration, I actually got a brand new Mahindra much cheaper than I could have gotten a good, low hours, used JD or Kubota (unless I just stumbled across the deal of a lifetime. It does happen to some people, just not me /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif) Plus, I'd heard great things about the Mahindra dealer. So, all-in-all, it was a no brainer for me.
Good luck with your tractor buying decision.
BR
You make some valid points. However, what I found in my area (new/used prices vary greatly depending on region) was that I could buy a brand spanking new Mahindra for about the same price as a comparably equiped (HP, weight, etc.) used low hour JD or Kubota. Plus, I could get great financing rates on the new unit that wasn't available on the used units. Taking the financing into consideration, I actually got a brand new Mahindra much cheaper than I could have gotten a good, low hours, used JD or Kubota (unless I just stumbled across the deal of a lifetime. It does happen to some people, just not me /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif) Plus, I'd heard great things about the Mahindra dealer. So, all-in-all, it was a no brainer for me.
Good luck with your tractor buying decision.
BR
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When I bought my 6000 4wd/FEL, etc., a JD of equal standing (HP/weight/shuttle shift), it would have cost me $15K more to be green. Like I said, the 6000 ain't no CUT and I'm keepin' it for the foreseeable future(figure 30 or so years.....). Even if I were to sell and take a $10K drop, I'm still $5K ahead based on what I paid....BobG in VA
dieselsmoke1
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I can't speak to long term reliability, as I only have about 300 hrs. on my piece.
I can speak to initial quality of my tractor, and have a fair amount of experience to reference with regards to touch, feel, use etc. Overall I have been satifised and would make the same purchase again with present knowledge.
My piece is a branded TYM with a Daedong engine. Problems have been few and easily resolved.
I can't say how my isolated case relates to the overall product line, but can say my dealer has provided exceptional service and support.
Lots of companies make a good tractor these days. IMHO, it's more about the dealership, their philosophy and value for my money than it is about the color.
I can speak to initial quality of my tractor, and have a fair amount of experience to reference with regards to touch, feel, use etc. Overall I have been satifised and would make the same purchase again with present knowledge.
My piece is a branded TYM with a Daedong engine. Problems have been few and easily resolved.
I can't say how my isolated case relates to the overall product line, but can say my dealer has provided exceptional service and support.
Lots of companies make a good tractor these days. IMHO, it's more about the dealership, their philosophy and value for my money than it is about the color.
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