Mahindra vs. Kubota

[Builder]

Now to subtly douse the flames with gasoline...

Mahindra vs. Kubota = Pewee Herman vs Mohamad Ali.

Got your attention?

There is a simple explanation of why a Kubota with HST will out perform a similarly sized and equipped Mahindra or virtually any similar sized GEAR tractor doing work requiring the Mahindra or the brand X to shift a lot. Just about any CUT with HST will out perform just about any other CUT that is a gear tractor in this sort of work.

I watched a friend with a geared JD CUT use his FEL to fill my dump trailer with gravel. He was happy with his performance and didn't notice any reason for me to be impatient with his progress. He stayed busy and worked as fast as was practical for his equipment and to be safe and to not smack dents in my new dumper. His productivity or to me more precise LACK OF PRODUCTIVITY was driving me crazy. I could have done the job with my HST KUBOTA SO MUCH FASTER it would not have even been close. If I couldn't do the job in half the time I would have been ashamed to try.

I figure this is relevant to the original post, is fair, and is representative of what to expect in general when the task at hand requires lots of maneuvering and reversing direction frequently. Ease of reversing direction and continuously variable trans ratio in this kind of work should show a significant difference in productivity. Do not underestimate the contribution to productivity made by the continuously variable trans ratio when doing lots of close in maneuvers. The productivity boost is not all ease of reversing direction.

The original post did not relate in the slightest to heavy ground engaging tasks and to arbitrarily convert the OP's simple comments into a peeing contest over big tractors pulling big plows or the like might be fun but has little or nothing to do with the OP. Case was not mentioned either.

I'm sure with some thought I could contort the discussion such that it would morph into one of the ongoing peeing contests based on tractor color, trans pref, cab vs open, or whatever and the general scrap to ensue could be fun to watch but it wouldn't do didly squat along the lines of the original question.

Oh, and I feel the OP's pain. He got bad advice which compounded his other problems. It isn't enough that he was out of work and had poor prospects, his low hour tractor lays down, but he comes here for help and gets accused of being a poser or worse.

What is the take home message we get out of this post? If you have a serious problem and would like some abuse to go along with it ask for help here.

So to the OP... Don't give up on us too easily. Sometimes we actually try to help.

Pat

Totally agree. How this turned into a peeing match is beyond comprehension.

 

[SPYDERLK]

Totally agree. How this turned into a peeing match is beyond comprehension.

Didnt notice that it did. Just some trouble agreeing on the size and shape of the curlicues the gear tractor would run around the hst in ground engagement work.
larry

 

[patrick_g]

Patrick, I suppose you are free to espouse whatever...but if you had read/seen all the pics etc, you would have realized that the OPs tractor was NOT similarly equipped with the Kubota....it took the rest of us about 2 weeks to see a pic....of a 2WD 4500....this unit has a HI-LO 4 speed trans W/O syncho thru out the range...I think I'll leave it at that until you can catch up. BobG in VA

Sorry, If I struck a nerve, Novocaine to follow.

Playing in the wood lot will probably NOT be helped with 4wd. My Kubota 4wd kicks and bucks in 4wd when making sharp turns (when it has fair traction.) So 2wd would have been a minor asset unless they were doing this wood play in the mud.

Not similarly equipped. Thanks for signing up to my main point.

Of course they are not similarly equipped. That is the main reason the Kubota outperformed the Mahindra (certainly not 4wd vs 2wd.) There are various types of gear tractors and they all fall short of the productivity of a good HST in the type work discussed. They may be terrific for HD ground engagement or whatever but the discussion centered on a type of task that is well suited for HST. The best you can do with any gear tractor is to work harder and get less done when doing the sort of task described. Lots of direction reversals and plenty of tight maneuvering is not the playing field to choose if you are trying to compete any gear tractor with an HST.

There are many tasks where the HST has no clear advantage but the type task in question is not one of them. If a gear tractor guy needs his spirits raised he can consider the "TEST" to be rigged, not a level playing field, patently unfair, or just wait till you have to plow 160 acres of hard ground several times a year for several years and see how the HST maint costs go, then we'll see which is best, you betcha.

It isn't that I didn't read ALL the posts, I did. Many of them were off topic but that is OK with me, I like free wheeling discussions just fine but we need to note that we shouldn't recast the OP's original "problem statement" (defined universe of discourse) because we would really rather argue/discuss a different point not the one brought up by the OP.

We are free to make a different post, too.

You said, "I suppose you are free to espouse..."

Don't suppose, be well assured. We all have that freedom and may continue to have it unabridged depending on the outcome of the coming elections.

Pat

 

[jasperab]

Just got an e-mail from Brenda in Customer Relations at Mahindra. Gave her the serial # and Dealers name. Hope she can resolve the matter. At least someone from Mahindra cares enough to respond. That' s a start.

 

[johnk]

Good luck Jasperab and keep us posted. Like you said at least someone cares and hopefully they keep on caring...

 

[shvl73]

I wish you luck. It is a good start. I'll be watching to see the outcome.

 

[Rara Avis]

It is a thread like this that make me feel that no matter how bad I thought my day was...there are those out there who have it worse...

 

[jasperab]

Mahindra contacted my dealer and asked him to pick it up and assess the problem. They are a small dealer in a small town so they will do it asap, but they are very busy right now so I will keep adding as I hear from my dealer.

 

[tjkadar]

Thanks for keep us updated. I'm hoping for a fair resolution to your unfortunate mess.

 

[jasperab]

The Mahindra is on it's way to town! Dealer just picked it up. Mahindra has been calling him to get status report.
He doesn't know what could have happened, never seen an engine fail where this one did. Have to pull it apart to see.