Comparison mini dozer

[20 20]

To state that what is considered as a full sized backhoe will out dig a 6-7 ton quality made mini-excavator only demonstrates one's ignorance concerning the issue. Been there, done that, got the T shirt, story over. It flat isn't going to happen; period.

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This is the reason that the sales of backhoes have plummeted over the last few years. They are going by the way of garden 'tractors' are to zero turn radius mowers when it comes to mowing. But, I still have some guys state that their 28" Snapper Comet will out mow a 30 hp diesel front mount zero turn radius lawn mower all day.

Sometimes to justify our way of doing things, we say another way is wrong/worse. I'm the 1st to admit I hate change, because most of the time it's for the worse. In the case of an excavator compared to a BH there is no comparison. Lets compare machines on the same engine size weight etc. then we'll see who goes home with the trophy .

Excavators IMO are one of the best all around machines one could have. If I had to do things all over and I was only allowed one machine it would be a mini ex HANDS DOWN. These machines are becomming great work horses especially with all the attachments we can get. Heck yesterday I had to drop and move a tree{get it ready for the mill}. Originally I was going to get out my dozer and skid it, then use the mini ex to move the logs{6'-17'}. Well I got lazy and did everything with the mini-ex. Dropped skidded cut {with chainsaw} then picked up the logs and stacked. Of course if I win the lotery I'll invest in the saw for the ex :laughing::thumbsup:

 

[Dargo]

I find that hard to believe :confused2:. Not saying your machine isn't a good setup, but muck will suck a 4WD vehicle under fast. There is no way a wheeled vehicle will go further{in a mucky situation} then a tracked that's just a fact . Ground pressure comes into play.

He just said he's gone places he wouldn't have with a mini excavator. I'm thinking places like rent large equipment on tracks to pull out his stuck backhoe... LOL!

Yeah, I'd agree with you, that's probably one of the silliest statements so far.

 

[Builder]

yeah.....WTF do I know :laughing:

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[Builder]

Are you saying you can't put a 4' bucket on an excavator? I'll give you the loader on a BH setup but that doesn't really help in a tight situation does it? If this were the case then why are BH's being replaced? There is a mini ex on machine trader that has a reach of 20', it is lighter then 6ton. Can I ask how much your machine weighs? I allready figure its hp is around 100, correct? The 7 ton mini ex can do more work with less hp as long as they have a decent operator. Like you say maybe for what you do a BH is your best bet. BUT for ALL AROUND type work a mini ex will walk all over a BH. :drink:



Fair enough just remember you're comparing your situation, and I am speaking in general. lets say you dug ponds for a living a BH would be to clumsy and awkward. Doing tight foundation work a mini ex would be WAY faster the a BH. the list goes on.



I agree :thumbsup:

Walk all over is a hilarious exageration. :laughing: I can load a truck faster than a mini ex. I turn the machine around and load 1.5 yds at a time. Can a mini ex be equipped with a 1.5 yd loader bucket? That is not my situation, but a general situation. You like to speak in "general situations", so we'll do it your way.

Dancing around the snow removal issue? :laughing: Uh-huh. :laughing: I'll keep that our little secret. even though it's another "general situation"

I can drive my backhoe without a trailer 5 miles down the road and do another job. Try that with a minin ex. :laughing: Nope, with a mini ex, you must have a trailer. Sorry. Ooops, another "general situation" where the backhoe still wins!

Why would a BH not work as well as a mini ex diiging a pond? I would think when it comes time to load or grade dirt, I can move faster. I've already dug dozens of foundations with mine. What's the difference?

I've probably put more hours on a backhoe or mini-ex than you and I know what both can do. Tight foundation work-no doubt mini-ex. I use one for that work all the time. Guy with no CDL, no doubt mini ex. is better.

One machine that can do almost anything? I'll take a BH anyday. It's still the swiss army knife on the jobsite. You know deep down you need a skid steer to make your mini ex do what a backhoe does.

Now a full size excavator? that's a different story.

 

[Builder]

:confused2: I've also run both machines and this claim IMO is very false{sorry } Just the design between the 2 machines is enough to allow the excavater to work faster. Being able to turn 360degrees alone is faster.

How much...honestly? I have over 10,000 hours on the last 3 backhoes I've owned and probably 1,000 hours on mini-ex's. I share use of a mini ex with my mason.

Now lets get into some good ole muck, I'll take the tracked machine anyday and walk all over a BH. Not to mention the lesser amount of movement to get onto different spots.

What do we do in a mini ex when we need say 1-2 feet of ground clearance, to drive over rocks/stumps, etc.? Mini ex gonna go over them or throw a rubber track? :laughing:

Builder, I'm not knocking your experience, but after running both types of machines there is NO WAY a BH is going to beat an excavator. Not saying BH's are bad, just saying the design alone makes the difference :drink:

It's OK, but too much generalizing going on here. Won't disagree that a mini ex is better in certain situations, but ALL situations? :confused2: Come on pal, gimmie a break. :laughing:

 

[JoelD]

A bit of advice from a guy who's owned two tracked machines.

First, buying a used tracked machine is not for the novice, not by any stretch. Those things are far more complicated than you can imagine with many things that can go wrong.

Everything on a tracked machine is expensive to replace, either just parts price or parts and labor. You need big tools and overhead lifting capacity to do almost anything.

Tracks, rollers, idlers and rails are all big money and time to fix / replace.

There are many things that can wrong with the drivelines and they are very different from wheeled machines.

I would never purchase a used dozer again.

When they break, they break and they don't like being moved broken, not as simple as getting behind them and just pushing (although can be done if you enough iron, i've been there and had a bent loader bucket to prove it).

Really, tracked machines are about as cool a toy as you can get, but unless you are a mechanic with the right tools and no how, I'd steer clear (no pun on steering bands) of them.

Rent if you must.

Just my two cents.

Joel

 

[20 20]

Walk all over is a hilarious exageration. :laughing: I can load a truck faster than a mini ex. I turn the machine around and load 1.5 yds at a time. Can a mini ex be equipped with a 1.5 yd loader bucket? That is not my situation, but a general situation. You like to speak in "general situations", so we'll do it your way.

Okay lets compare your machine at 110hp to an excavator with 110hp oooops I forgot we are suppose to be comparing push mowers to 35 hp riders :drool:

Dancing around the snow removal issue? :laughing: Uh-huh. :laughing: I'll keep that our little secret. even though it's another "general situation"

Not sure if you saw {?} I said I'd have no problem removing snow with my ex. {mine is very small} :laughing::laughing::laughing:

I can drive my backhoe without a trailer 5 miles down the road and do another job. Try that with a minin ex. :laughing: Nope, with a mini ex, you must have a trailer. Sorry. Ooops, another "general situation" where the backhoe still wins!

Well that's good now we know your tractor is more like a car :laughing: I want a machine because it can work not drive down the highway :laughing::laughing: Oh and by the way I have run mine down the road{rubber tracks}. Infact if you ran yours down the road up here right now you'd be facing a nice ticket, overweight. I'll answer the rest later gotta run

 

[Dargo]

Hey 20 20, you'll like this; I won't be posting again until later today. A friend just called me to ask if I'd trench in the sewer line for him to a new subdivision he's building. The reason? Their "stupid" backhoe is stuck in the mud trying to do so since we've had so much rain! LOL!! Besides, he said your little Takeuchi (only 7 ton unit) can dig circles around their backhoes and he'd really make a mess with one of their 50 ton units. I loved it when he said "Wanna trade?? Oh, forgot, you have a backhoe. I just haven't seen you use it much." Talk about pertinent to our conversation! The backhoe is still useful for many things, but is basically obsolete for many jobs with the advent of the mini-excavator.

 

[20 20]

Why would a BH not work as well as a mini ex diiging a pond? I would think when it comes time to load or grade dirt, I can move faster. I've already dug dozens of foundations with mine. What's the difference?

Are you being serious or just{need a new smilly} :blowingsmoke: Even for foundation work an excavator would be better, lets be real Starting to wonder how much work you really have done????? Maybe you charge by the hour :laughing::laughing::laughing:

I've probably put more hours on a backhoe or mini-ex than you and I know what both can do.

Well my bicycle is faster then yours so

Tight foundation work-no doubt mini-ex. I use one for that work all the time.

so now you admit it thanks

Guy with no CDL, no doubt mini ex. is better.

Not sure what the CDL comment is about, I drove tractor trailer over the road for years{??} Just run with the statement "NO DOUBT MINI EX IS BETTER" and you'll have a happy life :thumbsup::dance1:

Now a full size excavator? that's a different story.

Shouldn't we be comparing a full size to your machine :confused2: I looked up the stats on your machine it as 110hp and weighs over 8 ton. I'll put money down that an 7-9ton mini ex will outwork your machine. You may win a couple of events/battles, BUT the excavator WILL win the war !!!!:shocked::thumbsup::thumbsup::cool2:

 

[20 20]

Hey 20 20, you'll like this; I won't be posting again until later today. A friend just called me to ask if I'd trench in the sewer line for him to a new subdivision he's building. The reason? Their "stupid" backhoe is stuck in the mud trying to do so since we've had so much rain! LOL!! Besides, he said your little Takeuchi (only 7 ton unit) can dig circles around their backhoes and he'd really make a mess with one of their 50 ton units. I loved it when he said "Wanna trade?? Oh, forgot, you have a backhoe. I just haven't seen you use it much." Talk about pertinent to our conversation! The backhoe is still useful for many things, but is basically obsolete for many jobs with the advent of the mini-excavator.

That's :laughing:
Now when you get stuck, you'll have to call in Builder :laughing: :laughing: I think he is just busting b___s anyone with experience on these machines knows the truth. Come on Builder admit it, you know the truth Don't forget the truth will set you free :ashamed::drool:

You are correct BH's do have a purpose but it is getting less and less.

I figured when my BH was hooked up to my mini dozer the unit weighed just over 4 ton. My mini weighs under 2 ton and it will run circles around the dozer setup or the tractor setup{weighed around 7k lbs}that I had. I'm not saying the BH was bad but the amount of time to do a job dropped by more then half. When I ran the 312 cat that could really do some digging, just kind of big. Plus on the ex swinging 360 degrees makes A HUGE difference not to mention setup time between digs.