Mosin-Nagant hex receiver

[Soundguy]

Ok, I'm running into a minor snag. I've found about a dozen guys who do FFL transfer, but so far I've had about 6 say they will only deal with another FFL, not an individual on the sellers side. Is that normal? Is it the law? Couple haven't mentioned anything about requiring the seller to use an FFL as well. I've seen on GB several ads that state if the seller hast to ship from an FFL, it cost an additional $25-35. I kinda hate to ask the guys who didn't bring it up; and I'll have to have them snail mail the FFL, as seller has no fax, and all but one FFL has said out right they will Not email. One says he's OK emailing, but only to another FFL.

I ran around this afternoon to only find out its a holiday, so, no bank to cash a check, and no USPS for a postal money order.

Here's the deal. Your ffl "can" legally receive a long arm from a non ffl, but most won't unless face to face as they can't verify info for their bound book, and since they are essentially getting the gun as an xfer and not a "keep" purchas, as an 01, they generally don't like to take chances.

If you found an ffl that will receive from a non ffl you are set.

Otherwise your seller will need to go thru a ffl, and incure an xfer fee too. Ideally this would have been pre worked out, or stated one way or the other prior to bidding.

As for ffl verification, all but 03 can be verified online thru ezcheck. ATF allows email, faxed copies etc.

When I win an auction, I just send an email from my phone to the seller with a jpg and a PDF of my gf attached. Heck, I used the Nokia 1020 camera for the jpg, its quality is much better than the 300/1200 dpi scanner at work.

I've yet to happen upon an ffl that refused a faxed or emailed copy ( once it was allowed).

Ps, oldpilgrim is reminding you that if you do get your crffl, to keep in mind the firearm either needs to substantial be in as manufactured condition, or at least be in a modified condition that was in place when it became Cr eligible.

For example, many milsurps went thru remanufacture or rearsenaling that changed them. Take Turk mausers. Older arms were updated to newer chamberings and other mods. For instance m38 on 1893 style receivers. Even though the gun is nit as it was made ORIGINALLY, its modification was made more than 50 us ago.

Also, simple damage or a missing non major component should not disqualify from Cr. IE, broke firing pin.

When it comes to the stock vs a barreled action. A straight barreled action won't be Cr, however a gun with a useless rotted stock broke hand guard and rusted thru bbl bands could just be shown to be a worn aged example of a complete but poor condition gun. I've seen SIM of the major sellers, classic, sog, sarco, etc sell ufixems that were essentially barreled actions, but they had the old boat oar stock and rusty screws, etc. You couldn't use them till you bought a replacement stock, but they were legal since they had the cracked wood furniture.

 

[Soundguy]

Long term, I would love to pick up a Kar-98, and maybe a TT-33, and a VIS-35; but my spare money jingles, not folds...

On the 98, if you want 98 flavor, but cheaper, yugo m48 are about the cheapest you can get into at around 240$ right now.

Various Turks sometimes go cheaper, but as mentioned, Turk guns could be anything from 88's thru 1903 conversions, or k.kales, etc, lotsa 'turks' variations.

As for spare money jingling, I hear ya bro, my spare money sounds like a 2" x 3.5" plastic card right now.

 

[Buggs67]

https://www.classicfirearms.com/fin...il&utm_term=0_afe48e03d8-c6beab7d11-238526213

 

[Soundguy]

350$

 

[paulharvey]

I've been through just about enough trouble over a dang barreled reciever. The seller is a C&R FFL, and not a standard FFL. After calling and or visiting about 15 (no joke, 15) local gun stores/pawn shops, I've found a guy, Putnam Feed & Farm Supply, who's willing to email his FFL if the seller will send a copy of his C&R. I'm guessing that will at least cover my guys but. I had talked to several yesterday, and what was explained to me was technically he doesn't Have to have one by law, but if ATF audits their books, it will cause the ATF to really go over everything with a microscope.

At this point, if this dealer and the seller can't exchange all their info, I'm going to email him and tell him to forget it and repost it, cancel by Gunbroker account if they want. I think Soundguy was right way back when he said it would be easier and better to just run down to the store and buy a whole new rifle.

I did some digging on the sellers sales, and he seems to be selling a lot of C&R parts and recievers; I swear when I had mine, it specifically said you couldn't use it for the "regular or routine sale for business"...

As a bit of info, it seems like locally the price for new import M91/30 is right around $250 or so from a brick-n-mortar shop.

 

[Soundguy]

If he is selling receivers, he's having to send them via ffl, unless they are antique, or c&r, and attached to bbl and wood.

As for the little parts, the receiver is the gun, not the small stuff, he can buy and sell that stuff at will, no impact on his collector license.

His Cr will not have any bearing on sending a barrelled action to a ffl. It just depends on if the ffl wants to receive it. Most won't receive from non ffl because so hard to prove identity. With the sellers crffl, at least the receiver ffl has something for his book ATF could backtrack with in case of an issue.

That's why I'm not fond of parting guns. Once a Cr gun loses tangible parts it can loose Cr status. ATF doesn't wig about a missing screw or broken band or sling swivel, but if major components like stock, rcvr or bbl or imho, bolt are gone, its a deal killer.

I've seen some large sellers sell Cr ufixems, and the stock would literally be held on with packing take they were so cracked or rotted.. But in stock and complete, they were legit at least.

 

[rtimgray]

The once plentiful Mosins in our area have all but dried up. They were everywhere just a few years ago for $100 to $150. Now, I only see them occasionally except for one store that has a small gun room at the back of the store - they still have a pretty good stock/selection for anywhere between $160 and $200. I got mine from them about two years ago.

I've never tried to buy a gun from Gunbroker from someone that wasn't an 01 FFL, so I can't offer any help with that. I did get around to getting a C&R a couple years ago, and I log all of my eligible transactions whether or not I "used" my FFL.

On a somewhat related note, I just have to share some good news. I happened to find what has been a "holy grail" as far as gun collecting goes for me. Many years ago, I saw a Spanish Mauser FR-8 online and said "Wow, I would really like one of those." I've never actually seen one in person, but have followed several auctions on Gunbroker, but they always went for more than I wanted to pay.

I was wandering around the local pawn shop the other day and lo and behold there sat one on the shelf. I casually asked the clerk if I could look at "that old Mauser", so he handed it to me. It had a matching bolt, about 90% finish on the parkerizing, and a few dings and scratches on the stock, but nothing bad. It including a (non-matching) bayonet and a price tag of $399. I managed to get them to eat the sales tax on it and throw in an old hard case and I took it home. I don't think it was an outstanding deal, but good enough for one that I've been looking for for a while.

Once I got it home, I gave it a thorough cleaning - I don't think it had been apart since the last time it had been re-arsenalled, because there was sawdust in stock. Once it was re-assembled I gave it a test shooting - oh man, how did I live without this for this long!

I didn't have a lot of time before dark, so I couldn't go out to my longer range shooting spot, so my furthest shot was only about 50 yards, but I was able to bust three clay pigeons out of five, shooting from a squatting position (and I am a horrible, horrible shot, I promise). I really like the sights on the gun, although I've read where others do not care for them.

Not trying to hijack, but had to share my good news somewhere.

Good luck and take care.

 

[Soundguy]

FR8 are nice. good and safe for 308. was a training rifle to get themused to FAL's Unlike the converted spanis 1916 that were rechambered to 762 cetme ( 308 fits in but wayyy too much pressure.. )


Getting harder to get older milsurps as they can no longer be imported.

 

[rtimgray]

I was going to pick up a 1916 Spanish Mauser (converted to 7.62) in order to fill in the gap in my collection, since I didn't yet have a .308 bolt gun, but the "Is .308 safe to shoot in a 1916" controversy backed me off of it. There appears to be a voluminous amount of people on both sides of the aisle on that subject, and I have yet to see anybody actually offer up proof of a failed converted rifle as a result of shooting .308 in it. At the same time, I don't want to be the first! And now that I've got my FR-8, I'm settled.

My wife did find an old 7mm Spanish Mauser that she bought for me around last Christmas. I've fired it a few times and I really like it, as is.

Good luck and take care.

 

[Soundguy]

I was going to pick up a 1916 Spanish Mauser (converted to 7.62) in order to fill in the gap in my collection, since I didn't yet have a .308 bolt gun, but the "Is .308 safe to shoot in a 1916" controversy backed me off of it. There appears to be a voluminous amount of people on both sides of the aisle on that subject, and I have yet to see anybody actually offer up proof of a failed converted rifle as a result of shooting .308 in it. At the same time, I don't want to be the first! And now that I've got my FR-8, I'm settled.

My wife did find an old 7mm Spanish Mauser that she bought for me around last Christmas. I've fired it a few times and I really like it, as is.

Good luck and take care.

I don't think there should be any debate at all.

Look at it from a cartridge and chamber point of view.

7.62 cetme, 7.62x51, .308 win ALL have the same physical dimensions.

However, they are all designed around different pressures.

7.62 cetme is what those spanish mausers were chambered for.. but.. a .308 will sure 'fit' in there.

This goes back to the 308 / 762 and 556/223 issues.

you don't want to fire 556 in a 223 only chamber. 556 wil eat 223

you don't want to fire 308 in a 762 only chamber. 308 will eat both.