Mosin-Nagant hex receiver

[Soundguy]

Dark bore means its coroded and or pitted. Many times dark bores clean up some, and -may- shoot ok, just depends.

I think you might just be happier and $ ahead to get a functioning complete milsurp.

 

[Josh Smith]

So, you pointed out something that was on my mind last night. I'm pre-1898; and technically it's an "antique" not a "firearm", no FFL, pretty sure felons can own it, ect; or am I off base? Could I trim it down a few inches and have a legal SBR antique?

No barrel shortening and no felons, feller!

Regards,

Josh

 

[Josh Smith]

Most Mosins are dark bore. I clean them up by alternating foaming bore cleaner and Hoppes. What happens is that powder fouling gets layered on underneath copper fouling, then powder fouling on top of that, etc, in layers.

Rotate the cleaners. Generally, you can clean them up nicely.

Slug the bore. Nominally around 0.311", they come in between 0.3095" and 0.312" with some larger. They were designed for 0.311" bullets. Handloading can sometimes cut groups in half, depending on the particular rifle.

I find these do best in original wooden stocks with improved two-stage trigger, shimmed receiver and pressure padded barrel, and improved sights.

You might find this helpful. I hesitate to post it as I didn't come here to advertise, but I think I'm good with posting this article as it's pretty well circulated anyway:

http://www.smith-sights.com/accurizing-the-mosin-nagant-a-year-later.php

I like doing experimental archaeology and have hunted with slings and such I've made myself, and the Mosin-Nagant and a few others from the late 19th Century are natural extensions of that hobby.

Regards,

Josh

 

[paulharvey]

OK, so a moderately related question. At on time I went through the trouble to get my C&R FFL. I know it's been years ago, and I never used it. Is there a way to find out if it's still good? I'm not sure I still have the original paper work, and if it hasn't expired, is there a way to get copies of everything from the Feds?

 

[Buggs67]

OK, so a moderately related question. At on time I went through the trouble to get my C&R FFL. I know it's been years ago, and I never used it. Is there a way to find out if it's still good? I'm not sure I still have the original paper work, and if it hasn't expired, is there a way to get copies of everything from the Feds?

They expire after 3 years if you don't renew it. And when it expires you have to go through the whole process again.

 

[paulharvey]

They expire after 3 years if you don't renew it. And when it expires you have to go through the whole process again.

Ok, I had assumed it expired, but I thought I'd ask.

What is everyone paying for FFL transfers, I was thinking about ordering a barreled receiver on Gunbroker

 

[oldpilgrim]

OK, so a moderately related question. At on time I went through the trouble to get my C&R FFL. I know it's been years ago, and I never used it. Is there a way to find out if it's still good? I'm not sure I still have the original paper work, and if it hasn't expired, is there a way to get copies of everything from the Feds?

If you bought any firearm that's over 50 years old, then you 'used' it. If you are a license holder, and you acquire/dispose of any firearm of that age, then you are required to record out the transaction in your log. Just because you never presented your license when you purchased something doesn't exempt you from that. YOU are licensed and the license dictates what you must do. Not presenting the license upon a purchase doesn't mean you didn't use it.

It's just like a driver's license. Just because you never presented it to a cop, doesn't mean you never used it.

This has been clarified many times in many firearms forums and is covered in the pages of the book that the ATF sent when you received your license.

Of course, if you haven't made any purchases or sales at all of qualifying firearms,then of course you haven't used it.

 

[paulharvey]

Well, I've got a 1943 Izhevsk barreled receiver coming. I really was hoping for a prewar barrel but the timing was right, and price wasn't too wrong, $68, plus $12 shipping, plus I have to pay an FFL. Which has me thinking, maybe I should get my C&R again, with the DVD Dragunov hitting the 50 year mark (1963). And after all, who doesn't want an SVD.

I plan to use trigger, mag, and bolt from the Finn and the friends Russian M91/30 stock. I'll save the 1894 C Receiver for possible future sale or built.

Edit: what do y'all expect to pay for an FFL transfer and any required background. I'm guessing $25, or is that wishful thinking?

 

[oldpilgrim]

Barreled receivers don't count as C&R. Only full unaltered guns qualify.

Most places around here charge $25.

 

[Soundguy]

If you bought any firearm that's over 50 years old, then you 'used' it. If you are a license holder, and you acquire/dispose of any firearm of that age, then you are required to record out the transaction in your log. Just because you never presented your license when you purchased something doesn't exempt you from that. YOU are licensed and the license dictates what you must do. Not presenting the license upon a purchase doesn't mean you didn't use it.

It's just like a driver's license. Just because you never presented it to a cop, doesn't mean you never used it.

This has been clarified many times in many firearms forums and is covered in the pages of the book that the ATF sent when you received your license.

Of course, if you haven't made any purchases or sales at all of qualifying firearms,then of course you haven't used it.

He said he didn't.

AND it's expried, and since C&R holders do not have to turn in their bound book and can simply toss them, then once expired, then none of the old data matters.

 

[Soundguy]

Edit: what do y'all expect to pay for an FFL transfer and any required background. I'm guessing $25, or is that wishful thinking?

rates vary.. usually 20-35$ around here, with subsequent guns on the same 4473 costing less than the first, IE.. if primary was 35, subsequent may be 25 up to 4, etc.. Mind you you may get hit for 5-8$ of call in fee to.. so I'd take a fifty with ya to the xfer dealer.

PS.. this is a great reason to get a C&R if you intend to collect more C&R guns. As little as one transfer can pay for the 3year license

 

[Soundguy]

Barreled receivers don't count as C&R. Only full unaltered guns qualify.

Most places around here charge $25.

he's using a transfer dealer, so that doesn't factor in on the bbld action issue.

 

[paulharvey]

he's using a transfer dealer, so that doesn't factor in on the bbld action issue.

So, having never used Gunbroker before; the seller emailed with all his info, and I need to either do a "Postal Money Order" or a PayPal 'Gift'. He very specifically said if I want to do PayPay, it can't mention a sale of any kinda, and can only be processed as a Gift. Does any of that sound fishy or off.

As a side note, do to their registration requirements for Emails (if you sign up with a free email, you have to pay a dollar or two, to prevent trolls) I used my work email. When I tried to open it for work lap top, it popped right up with "warning, no access allowed to websites promoting fire arms sale". You'd have thought I signed into the ISIS homepage.... I know it's their computer, so it's their right, but

 

[bcp]

PayPal prohibits firearms transactions, so some people call them something else.

From:
https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mpp/ua/acceptableuse-full

Prohibited Activities

You may not use the PayPal service for activities that:

violate any law, statute, ordinance or regulation.
relate to transactions involving (a) narcotics, steroids, certain controlled substances or other products that present a risk to consumer safety, (b) drug paraphernalia, (c) cigarettes, (d) items that encourage, promote, facilitate or instruct others to engage in illegal activity, (e) stolen goods including digital and virtual goods, (f) the promotion of hate, violence, racial intolerance or the financial exploitation of a crime, (g) items that are considered obscene, (h) items that infringe or violate any copyright, trademark, right of publicity or privacy or any other proprietary right under the laws of any jurisdiction, (i) certain sexually oriented materials or services, (j) ammunition, firearms, or certain firearm parts or accessories, or (k) certain weapons or knives regulated under applicable law.

 

[Soundguy]

Yup, no paypal for guns, so you see people ask for discreet paypal gifts.

Also, by saying paypal gift, only you pay fees. If you say paypal for an invoice or service, both you and he pay fees. I see that on gunbroker often.. but few GB's take paypal anymore.

As for the 1$ thing... that's been like that for years. It charges you a dollar to authenticate your acount. matters not if it's free email.

I've had my same AT&T email addy since 1990 and when I got on GB I got charged a dollar as well.

Your seller will need your xfer dealers FFL file copy.

 

[paulharvey]

Yup, no paypal for guns, so you see people ask for discreet paypal gifts.

Also, by saying paypal gift, only you pay fees. If you say paypal for an invoice or service, both you and he pay fees. I see that on gunbroker often.. but few GB's take paypal anymore.

As for the 1$ thing... that's been like that for years. It charges you a dollar to authenticate your acount. matters not if it's free email.

I've had my same AT&T email addy since 1990 and when I got on GB I got charged a dollar as well.

Your seller will need your xfer dealers FFL file copy.

Ok, I'm running into a minor snag. I've found about a dozen guys who do FFL transfer, but so far I've had about 6 say they will only deal with another FFL, not an individual on the sellers side. Is that normal? Is it the law? Couple haven't mentioned anything about requiring the seller to use an FFL as well. I've seen on GB several ads that state if the seller hast to ship from an FFL, it cost an additional $25-35. I kinda hate to ask the guys who didn't bring it up; and I'll have to have them snail mail the FFL, as seller has no fax, and all but one FFL has said out right they will Not email. One says he's OK emailing, but only to another FFL.

I ran around this afternoon to only find out its a holiday, so, no bank to cash a check, and no USPS for a postal money order.

 

[bcp]

I thought one dealer could verify another dealer without having to get a paper copy of the license, using this:

https://www.atfonline.gov/fflezcheck/

Bruce

 

[oldpilgrim]

he's using a transfer dealer, so that doesn't factor in on the bbld action issue.

the following made me think he was considering a C&R to avoid future bbld actions fees.

Well, I've got a 1943 Izhevsk barreled receiver coming. I really was hoping for a prewar barrel but the timing was right, and price wasn't too wrong, $68, plus $12 shipping, plus I have to pay an FFL. Which has me thinking, maybe I should get my C&R again, with the DVD Dragunov hitting the 50 year mark (1963).

 

[Soundguy]

the following made me think he was considering a C&R to avoid future bbld actions fees.

From reading the thread, he got the bbld action to utilize some exting parts. I havnt read anything that makes me think he's going to be trying to collect bbld actions.

 

[paulharvey]

From reading the thread, he got the bbld action to utilize some exting parts. I havnt read anything that makes me think he's going to be trying to collect bbld actions.

It's just the once off right now. I'd like to save a few bucks, get a decent shooter, and also, orginally, 'build' the gun. Now, I'm simply gonna drop my bolt, trigger, magazine, etc into a free stock and the barreled action.

Long term, I would love to pick up a Kar-98, and maybe a TT-33, and a VIS-35; but my spare money jingles, not folds...