Need some info on the 3016, 3616

[alia176]

I'm currently shopping for a tractor and the 3016/3616 vs Kubota L3200 keep coming up. My local Kubota dealer wants to sell me the last L3200HST on his lot at list price.

The lifting capacity of the loader (not bucket) between the two tractors is astounding. 3016 can lift 1650 lbs vs 1131 lbs for the L3200. The question that begs to be asked is the front axle on the 3016 designed accordingly? I wasn't able to find out any real data on Mahindra's site.

I read somewhere on this site that the 3616 & 3016 are all Mitsubishi manufactured, not just the engine. Is this accurate?

I'm planning on going to the Mahindra dealer this week. I'm curious if the BH is similar to the Kubota BH with 4 pin quick disconnect to the subframe. Guess I'll find out.

Does the 3016/3616 have the famous "jerky" 3 point hitch issue as the Kubota L series does?

It'd be nice to hear from someone who owns both tractors or made the switch from the Kubota L to the Mahindra 3016/3616.

The plan is to purchase a TBL combo unit. How does one find out the MSRP for the Backhhoe and the Loader?

Thanks for your insight.

 

[LAWALLSTRACTOR]

Yes, Yes, Yes, No I am a dealer, but I am sure any of the owners here would back me up on that.

 

[Shift4200]

I have used the 3pt on a friend's Kubota as well on my Max25. Both were a little smaller than the tractors that you are looking at but i can say with confidence that the 3pt on the Max is much smoother than the one on the Bx.

It almost seemed like the bx had "increments" that the hitch would raise/lower... where the Max is fluid and will stop anywhere. I'm no professional and have limited stick time, but to me... the Max seemed superior.

Just my $0.02

-J

 

[alia176]

Yes, Yes, Yes, No I am a dealer, but I am sure any of the owners here would back me up on that.

Whew, that's a relief :laughing: The "no" must be referring to "no jerky hitch", LOL!!

I have used the 3pt on a friend's Kubota as well on my Max25. Both were a little smaller than the tractors that you are looking at but i can say with confidence that the 3pt on the Max is much smoother than the one on the Bx.

It almost seemed like the bx had "increments" that the hitch would raise/lower... where the Max is fluid and will stop anywhere. I'm no professional and have limited stick time, but to me... the Max seemed superior.

Just my $0.02

-J

The Kubota dealer educated me on the phone today: The B series have the quarter inch valve whereas the L series have the position control (aka jerky) valve!

Is it me or does the name Kubota tend to drive up the price of tractors a little bit?

Thanks for the feedback.

 

[Tkblacktail]

Have a look at the stats; you will have to scroll down past the eye candy....:cloud9:

3016 4WD HST | Mahindra

 

[alia176]

Have a look at the stats; you will have to scroll down past the eye candy....:cloud9:

3016 4WD HST | Mahindra

I've been looking at those stats for awhile and can't seem to find some answers. Mahindra website leaves much to be desired IMHO (in my humble opinion). It's hard to compare similar size tractors across the vendors when you don't have all the info. Perhaps someone can help out with the following:

- what's the MSRP for the backhoe and FEL?
- what's the MSRP for the pallet fork attachmet?
- what's the bucket lift capacity for both 3016 & 3616? I found the loader cap at 1650 lbs, but not the bucket lift cap.
- what the 3pt hitch llift cap? I see a number of 2646 lbs under the hydraulic section but don't see the lift cap at"24" behind lift points"
- I'm trying to decipher the last two numbers of a model number, do they mean something besides the series number? 3616 = 36 hp, series 16. 4025 = 40 hp, series 25. The cost between these two tractors is minimal but I assume that the frame size is larger, perhaps the drivetrain is more beefy?

Thank you.

 

[Shift4200]

Whew, that's a relief :laughing: The "no" must be referring to "no jerky hitch", LOL!!



The Kubota dealer educated me on the phone today: The B series have the quarter inch valve whereas the L series have the position control (aka jerky) valve!

Is it me or does the name Kubota tend to drive up the price of tractors a little bit?

Thanks for the feedback.

I don't know the MSRP, and i wont try to recall the numbers exactly. But I bought my Max25 back in October with FEL, MMM and 60in Woods Land rake. I had worked up a package at the local Kubota dealer for a BX2360 with the same attachments. Long story short, the Mahindra package came with more power and ended up being more than $5k less.

After comparing the stats... i couldn't see a single reason to go with the BX. OK, maybe a cup-holder and more user friendly seat belt. But in the end, I wasn't buying a commuter car... so I made the obvious choice.

-J

 

[arrow]

These smaller L series from Kubota are unfortunately way over priced in my mind. I shopped both and ended up with the 3016. I think the Kubota is better built but it had a few things that I just couldn't get by. 1. the jerky 3 pt. 2. The lack of lifting capacity compared to the Mahindra. 3. The front tie rods being exposed. I go through thick woods with mine and would have bent those rods on the first day. 4. You could only mount the tractor from the left side as the loader lever is in the way on the right (unless one is a ferret and I don't come close). 5. Did I say the price for what you were getting?
The 3016 is a capable tractor. The front axle is reenforced with cast gussets so it does not have to be as thickly cast. I bought the geared tractor because 28 hp is not enough in hst in my opinion for the kind of work I do. (I tried them both) I can skid logs out at almost an idle without the engine screaming. The weakness of the 3016 gear in my opinion is the gear lever attachment design. Looks like Fred Flintstone in its simplicity and is definitely a cost cutting measure. For what they wanted for the L3400, I could have bought the Mahindra 4010 which is a tractor and a half more than the 3400 and 3016 for that matter in structural build but it should have been for 5K more than the 3016. Here is a breakdown of where c.u.t Mahindras come from. Tractors ending in 25 or 35 - India. 16 - Japan (and yes the entire tractor is a Mitsubishi) 10 series - Korea. My dealer states that the Mitsu tractors are their least troublesome tractors with hardly a nil coming back since he has sold them. In truth that meant nothing to me as every tractor is individual and so is reliability. I am the type who seems to be able to break solid steel so "whatever" on that account.

 

[joeg1981]

I recently purchased a 2013 4010 after going through a very similar decision process. The 4010 was so very close to the cost of the 3616 - it just made sense to make the slight jump. I have loved every minute spent with it so far. If you would like any info on it, search my earlier posts or let me know.

-Joe

 

[chubby]

3616 is all Mitz except American Made loader. I bought 3616 over the Kubota B3030? (i think) because I owned two Mitz in Cub Cadet metal and put 1700 hrs on them with 0 issues. I like my 3616 not just because of the savings over Kubota but tractor seemed much more stable and quieter cab. When you buy please make sure the dealer fills rear tires. Only objection is loss motion or slow reaction in loader joy stick, but you get used to it until I jump on one off the other tractors.

 

[alia176]

Arrow,

Thank you very much for the info provided. I'm sure this thread will help others. I left a msg for a gentleman in Mahindra USA and will update info when he calls me back.

Recap:

The last two numbers ending in:
xx25 or xx35 - India
xx16 - Japan (all Mitsubishi made), Loader made in USA.
xx10 - Korea

 

[alia176]

I recently purchased a 2013 4010 after going through a very similar decision process. The 4010 was so very close to the cost of the 3616 - it just made sense to make the slight jump. I have loved every minute spent with it so far. If you would like any info on it, search my earlier posts or let me know.

-Joe

I too am asking myself why am I not looking at the 4010 given the close MSRP with the 3616. I'll search your earlier posts, thank you.

 

[joeg1981]

For some reason, I thought I posted pics earlier - I guess I didn't post as much info as I thought. Just let me know what you'd like to know and I'll dig up the details.





-Joe

 

[alia176]

Does the 4010 have a larger frame than the 3616?

 

[arrow]

Does the 4010 have a larger frame than the 3616?

In actuality, the 4010 is shorter than the 16 series by an inch or so but it is a much more beefier build. It is an entirely different tractor and just about 600lbs heavier tractor for tractor. It is a stout machine and if I had the extra money, I would have bought it. Its a TYM machine in reality. That being said, my 3016 pulled out this entire crown of a 60' oak from some really dense woods. My other tractor would have just stopped when a branch would get hung up. This one just busted branches off and made it all the way home to the landing. The crown stem is 12" across. It also pulled the entire tree stem (18" @ dbh) in one shot.

 

[alia176]

Arrow,

I'm jealous of you for two reasons: you have a cool tractor and you get to burn quality fire wood. All I got here in NM are Pine and Juniper.

Thanks for the info on the tractor. Seems that the 4010 is also a touch narrower than the 3616. I'll have the dealer quote me on the 4010 as well.

 

[arrow]

Arrow,

I'm jealous of you for two reasons: you have a cool tractor and you get to burn quality fire wood. All I got here in NM are Pine and Juniper.

Thanks for the info on the tractor. Seems that the 4010 is also a touch narrower than the 3616. I'll have the dealer quote me on the 4010 as well.

Ah New Mexico.... That is the only place the wife and I got stopped in a speed trap when we motorcycled across the entire country. Same hwy where speed went from 70 to 55 for absolutely no reason. (except for the trap) To this day I do not know where she came from as there was open desert on both sides of us. Hey, If I helped the economy for NM even more then more power to them. A hydro 4010 up here was $22,500 this past fall. I know the 16 series went up by about 2K from when I got mine. Perhaps you can find a left over. I got my 16 for dirt as it was a 2012 left over. It seems nobody cares for a geared tractor anymore.

 

[joeg1981]

[...] A hydro 4010 up here was $22,500 this past fall. I know the 16 series went up by about 2K from when I got mine. Perhaps you can find a left over. I got my 16 for dirt as it was a 2012 left over. It seems nobody cares for a geared tractor anymore.

I paid $21,652 (cash price) for my 2013 in November. Hopefully you can find a 2013 still, alia176.

 

[alia176]

Ah New Mexico.... That is the only place the wife and I got stopped in a speed trap when we motorcycled across the entire country. Same hwy where speed went from 70 to 55 for absolutely no reason. (except for the trap) To this day I do not know where she came from as there was open desert on both sides of us. Hey, If I helped the economy for NM even more then more power to them. A hydro 4010 up here was $22,500 this past fall. I know the 16 series went up by about 2K from when I got mine. Perhaps you can find a left over. I got my 16 for dirt as it was a 2012 left over. It seems nobody cares for a geared tractor anymore.

Thanks for contributing to our economy, LOL!!!!

The dealer does have a 2011 3316 Shuttle in the lot, claims to be paint faded, for $18950. He also has a 3616 Cab HST and a 4010 HST that I can check out as well. Unfortunately, he has no frame mounted BH on any of these tractors.

Sounds like anything less than 40 hp, one would be well advised to get a shuttle shift vs a HST. I've driven a Kubota HST and a Montana gear shift, so the shuttle shift sounds fine with me. The less hp is eaten up by the transmission, the better.

 

[arrow]

Thanks for contributing to our economy, LOL!!!!

The dealer does have a 2011 3316 Shuttle in the lot, claims to be paint faded, for $18950. He also has a 3616 Cab HST and a 4010 HST that I can check out as well. Unfortunately, he has no frame mounted BH on any of these tractors.

Sounds like anything less than 40 hp, one would be well advised to get a shuttle shift vs a HST. I've driven a Kubota HST and a Montana gear shift, so the shuttle shift sounds fine with me. The less hp is eaten up by the transmission, the better.

Considering that my dealer had an early 2013 3616 for $19900, that price for a 2011 seems high to me. 2011 was well before the two price hikes Mahindra had put on their stuff so it was bought with old pricing. Check at "Tractor House" for what a low hour 2011 3316 is going for now. His product has been outside in the sun and weather for over 2 years. I happen to agree with your assessment of hydro on lowered hp tractors. I am perfectly happy with the shuttle. I am not aware at all of pushing in the clutch to engage the shuttle. It becomes like breathing and it is fast.