Buying Advice Need tie breaker on Kioti CS2410, CK2510, Kobuta BK25D, or B2601

[oldpilgrim]

Is his a HST. I agree with the Kioti having a problem, but the dealer says it doesn't.

yes............although he tries not to.

 

[paulfun9]

Kioit, is stong tractor, but both HST & gear transmissions are its its downfall. Primitive.

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So now that we have at least got some kind of an answer about the limited experience some have had with just one machine with HST. The next question is how can this also be said about the gear trans.

 

[murphy1244]

Those Kubota's l series are too darn light. That's why they spin the tires.

 

[Gittyup]

The Grand is not a comparable weight machine. It weighs nearly double with the ballast on it. Breaking traction is desirable. The Kioti can't put it's power to the ground. It might as well be a 2000 pound tractor because then it could put its powerful to the ground.

Nearly double? Are you making this stuff up? According to a kubota PDF on the 40 series, and as reported by tractordata.com, an L3240 weighs about 3400 lbs with no ballast producing 34 HP. A CK25 weighs about 3100 lbs with no ballast producing 25 HP. That's a 300 lb difference! Unless data is wrong on your tractor, this just shows you don't know what you are talking about. In fact, there are few tractors under 35 HP that outweigh a Kioti of similar HP.

 

[4570Man]

The Kubota weighs 3200-3800 pounds. The loader is heavier, the tires hold more fluid, the Kubota has a backhoe and subframe. The Kubota weighs around 8,000 pounds. The kioti has a very light duty bush hog that might weigh 400 pounds and much smaller loaded tires. It might weigh 5,000 pounds.

 

[4570Man]

Having owned a B7100 myself many years ago this statement just made me spit my coffee all over the keyboard as I couldn't contain my laugh! I got rid of that machine within the month and replaced it with a FORD that was able to work circles around it!

I didn't say the tractor was better because it is not. The b7100 is a pretty crude tractor. I said the transmission is better, and it isn't very good.

 

[4570Man]

Knowing you have the power to break traction might be desirable but I don't see how breaking traction all the time would be desirable Even with my gear tractors I want to use all the power I have without breaking traction as I know that once the tires are spinning you are not making any forward progress and just wasting time/fuel and tire wear! Not to mention now you have to go back and fix the ruts you just made. One of the reasons I haven't gone back to Kubota is they tend to be light compared to other machines (at least in the size machines I looked at recently) and for me this means a lot. Yes I could load one up with ballast but again when I load up my Kioti with ballast it is still going to have more weight than the loaded up Kubota and still be more productive for my uses. So now my question has turned to why do you feel that spinning the tires loose all the time would be a good thing when most of the tractor world tries more so not to spin their wheels when working the tractor?

I didn't say you need to break traction every time you pull. The tractor does need to be able to break traction or else you can't put all of the power to the ground.

 

[murphy1244]

Its getting deep in here. time to put on my mud boots. 8000 lb 3240!! oh boy is it getting deep.

 

[Gittyup]

The Kubota weighs 3200-3800 pounds. The loader is heavier, the tires hold more fluid, the Kubota has a backhoe and subframe. The Kubota weighs around 8,000 pounds. The kioti has a very light duty bush hog that might weigh 400 pounds and much smaller loaded tires. It might weigh 5,000 pounds.

You've lost all credibility dude. Tractor only weighs 3800 lbs with a cab. two wheel drive is 3200 lbs. 4WD is 3400 lbs. Tires are not appreciably bigger, meaning fluid load is about the same. I have a backhoe on mine too. So What? Attachment can't be included because there are too many variants. Only fair comparison is bare tractor to bare tractor. I hope the OP knows to ignore you because you are way off base.

 

[4570Man]

Its getting deep in here. time to put on my mud boots. 8000 lb 3240!! oh boy is it getting deep.

Why don't you go add up the weight for the loader (LA724), loaded R4 tires, a BH90 backhoe and subframe, and the tractor and get back to me. I also have a grapple which is about 200 pounds a heavier than the factory bucket. Anyone want to give me a good reason why I can't add in weight for implements? The tires are bigger. Go look at CK25 tires and L3240 tires. Kioti only gives one weight. That means any tractor not fully equipped weighs less.