New (to me) YM240D

   / New (to me) YM240D #101  
This looks exactly like mine only with less fluid and gunk covering it.
Well I pressure washed the tractor once in 2003. Garden hose rinse a few times since. :)

Did you end up with new hoses to go from the controller to the rigid lines along the inside of the loader arm?
No, the hoses were long enough so I just forced them to route from below the valve, when they had previously been above. A couple of them look shabby but I've only replaced one which was starting to sweat fluid. I've learned that double-braid hoses (two plies of metal mesh) can look terrible yet are so tough they can still serve for years.

I don't see the plumbing for the supply/return for the loader. Mine runs, via two flex hoses, right along that foot rest to a box mounted below the seat. Am I just missing it in the photo?
Mine's the same. The two hoses at the front edge of the old control are the supply/return for the loader control. (Another photo, same thing). These hoses are in series diverting the pressure line that goes from pump to 3-point lift. US Yanmars have a OEM diversion block just before the 3-point input, (photo) and you move a plug inside that block to divert fluid out to the loader control then back to exit from the top of the block.

This controller more or less completely closes off access to the operator's station from this side of the tractor. How do you feel about it?
No access from the right side of the tractor is a very minor nuisance, only a problem when for example I use the backhoe and need to crowd the left side of the tractor up against a dense-limbed tree and have to climb up over the back of the seat to move the tractor. Like an automobile, you get used to entering left side only. Having the loader control blocking right-side entry is a compromise with not much lost.
 
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   / New (to me) YM240D #102  
No, the hoses were long enough so I just forced them to route from below the valve, when they had previously been above. A couple of them look shabby but I've only replaced one which was starting to sweat fluid. I've learned that double-braid hoses (two plies of metal mesh) can look terrible yet are so tough they can still serve for years..

This is the truth. I have seen equiptment with no antichafeing material left on them and the metal wire all unwound off hoses yet they still be completly serviceable! I have seen some bad looking hoses on logging equitpment still in service every day about 50+ hours a week!

But when they blow on that stuff they blow. And will pump fluid like 50ft! The worst ones that leak or bust is the ones for running the buck saw, its a remote off the loader and many times get burried in bark and dirt and if they leak they will sometims pump out 10s of gallons before caught. like 10-30.
 
   / New (to me) YM240D #103  
i wouldnt worry about it. Just get on and off from the one accessable side. You dont get in and out of your truck from either door, you always use the driver one. Well its a bit different because you would have to crawl across a seat but you see my point.

Unless you just want to tinker i would just simplify it and leave it how it is and just mount the new valve that claifornia linked you too. This is just me!

It is a complete rumor...but I herd that some guy with a Yanmar 2210 was wearing shorts and exited his tractor on the hydraulic controls side. Upon dropping down off the tractor one of the valve handles went up the side of his shorts, latched on, and tore them literally in half. He swore at that moment that.... I would never get off on the hydraulic control side again....
 
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#104  
US Yanmars have a OEM diversion block just before the 3-point input, (photo) and you move a plug inside that block to divert fluid out to the loader control then back to exit from the top of the block.

The diverter block is what I couldn't find in your picture. But the links you sent look exactly like mine. Thanks.
 
   / New (to me) YM240D #105  
For anybody who doesn't recognize the diverter block in my photo - look back at Yanmar's diagram where the input/output steel tubing is obvious. That same tubing is visible in my photo if you really stare at it.

Incidentally I installed that pressure gauge temporarily at the diverter block for diagnostics. That was the only spot with the right gender & diameter threads to match what I already had on hand. If I were mounting it permanently I would buy more adapters and mount it at the far end of the pressure hose under the control valve where its visible looking forward.
 
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#106  
@California-

I like the idea of a pressure sensor, even only if used for diagnostics. I have no idea what the pressure in my system is. I can see the benefit of a permanently mounted pressure gauge, though a one time check to see that everything is working well would be pretty handy.

I think I see your diverter valve in the photo but I don't see the Hi/Lo pressure lines running from that block to your control valve. On mine they run right along the "floor boards" - and sorta interfere with putting my right foot flat on the footbed. If/when I replace my loader control I'd probably prefer to move it closer to the operator/seat. Doing so might allow me to re-route the existing flex lines- possibly below the foot bed.
 
   / New (to me) YM240D #107  
My pressure and return hoses must be a little longer than yours. They are lashed under the floorboard.

My 3000 psi test gauge doesn't go high enough. I have seen it pinned hard. I learned you need one around 5000 psi because under some conditions the pressure can be the sum of what the individual relief valves are set for ... over 4000 psi. Here's a post in the past describing this in more detail. In fact that whole thread is where I asked the same questions we see in this thread, and got some good advice.
 
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@California, that looks like a really good thread. I guess I've got some reading to do.... Thanks for linking to that.
 
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So I read through that other thread. What exactly are your referring to when you mention the "Hold" position? Is that a specific location of the 3PT hitch lever or is that any place on that continuum so long as it's not moving? Secondly, what about the case where (I think winston) had where his implement drops slowly and then brings itself back up when needed? Someone in the other thread mentioned having ballast on the rear and working the loader. If the rear ballast is drooping and correcting itself won't that eventually happen at the same time the FEL is being operated? Are those the spikes you're seeing? Having done this for a couple years, have you seen any negative side effects?

Thanks,
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   / New (to me) YM240D #110  
So I read through that other thread. What exactly are your referring to when you mention the "Hold" position? Is that a specific location of the 3PT hitch lever or is that any place on that continuum so long as it's not moving?
The 3-point control lever has, starting from the front, three positions. Most forward is Down, fluid drains from the 3-point hydraulic cylinder, through this valve, and back to the sump. Pulling the lever up part way gets to what I call Hold, fluid from the hydraulic cylinder can't escape (aside from worn parts) so the lift stays up or wherever it was, indefinitely.

Note the way these hydraulic systems work fluid is still arriving in Hold position, passing through another part of the 3-point valve and draining to the sump. (So if a loader valve is upstream from this 3-point valve, it has pressure available for its functions). Last position of the 3-point lever is when it is pulled all the way back to Lift, the drain to the sump is sealed and all incoming fluid goes to lift the 3-point. If you hold this position after the 3-point reached maximum height, gauge pressure will spike and the 3-point's overpressure relief valve will squeal. And - this creates backpressure that the outlet of the loader valve, upstream, is facing. Instead of pushing fluid through that valve's outlet and toward the 3-point at its maximum rated allowable 500 psi backpressure, the loader valve is instead facing a 2000 psi backpressure downstream that is limited only by the 3-point's relief valve.

In theory this will destroy the loader valve, in practice this is simply a Don't Do This situation and the loader valves seem to survive. One Kubota mechanic posted in that thread that they saw a lot of warranty returns with loaders plumbed in series like this so they quit installing new loaders this way with in-series plumbing. On the other hand, that Yanmar Operation Manual diagram shows series plumbing as how they recommend to install a loader. YMMV. Mine's been plumbed in series, conforming to Yanmar's recommendation, for 35 years and I replaced it only because it dribbled a little (and possibly required more rpm) when lifting at maximum weight. I think this was just wear between the valve's pistons and bores, not anything broken.

Incidentally I was told there aren't o-rings or seals inside a loader valve, just precision tight clearances between piston/bore and that's why it is prohibitively expensive to overhaul a loader valve.


Secondly, what about the case where (I think winston) had where his implement drops slowly and then brings itself back up when needed? Someone in the other thread mentioned having ballast on the rear and working the loader. If the rear ballast is drooping and correcting itself won't that eventually happen at the same time the FEL is being operated? Are those the spikes you're seeing? Having done this for a couple years, have you seen any negative side effects?
There's linkage back there that moves the 3-point control to Lift automatically when the arms droop down. This can cause a minor spike but its only chance this could occur simultaneous with lifting something heavy in the loader. And normal ballast shouldn't require full lift pressure to raise, just some moderate amount of hydraulic pressure. Likewise its seldom that the loader will be working at maximum pressure, that should occur only if you hold a loader valve in Lift (or whatever) position after the loader cylinder has reached the end of its travel. Don't Do This.

So while such spikes can occur, I don't think they're important like moving the Lift and loader controls to the end of their range simultaneously. That's the only condition where pressure in each system, 3-point and loader, is limited only by their separate overload relief valves - causing the hydraulic pump to face a 4000 psi load. Don't Do This and you should be fine.
 

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