New utility tractor (100hp range)

   / New utility tractor (100hp range) #21  
I have been real curious about these Fendt tractors after reading about them on here and the fact that I have never seen one in these parts on anyone's farm, so I put in my zip code in the dealer locator and there isn't one dealer in the state of Florida, maybe that will change but until it does I am sure farmers in these parts will stay green, orange and red, even blue has just about faded out in this area. The one thing I have always liked about John Deere is the fact of getting parts quickly and having a dealer that will deliver them right in the field, no matter what brand you go with make sure you have parts and service.

If you buy a Fendt and they can’t fix it at YOUR location, they will bring you an equal or larger tractor at zero cost.
Ag dealers in my area also deliver parts for free or like $10 if you are an established customer. One of my local dealers told me they have $150,000/year tied up in one employee, benefits and delivery truck expenses to deliver parts. They lose money on it (or so they say), but it keeps customers happy and coming back.
 
   / New utility tractor (100hp range) #22  
If you buy a Fendt and they can’t fix it at YOUR location, they will bring you an equal or larger tractor at zero cost.
Ag dealers in my area also deliver parts for free or like $10 if you are an established customer. One of my local dealers told me they have $150,000/year tied up in one employee, benefits and delivery truck expenses to deliver parts. They lose money on it (or so they say), but it keeps customers happy and coming back.
I look forward to seeing if they get a dealer down in this part of the country because if they do as you say, they will get some business from some of these large farmers and possibly some from us small ones.
 
   / New utility tractor (100hp range) #23  
I look forward to seeing if they get a dealer down in this part of the country because if they do as you say, they will get some business from some of these large farmers and possibly some from us small ones.
I'm very interested in a Fendt 200 Vario, despite the closest dealer being about 5-6 hrs away. For the right machine, and with the right dealer and company behind it, I would take the risk.

But so far my experience hasn't been very good. I haven't given up, but the hurdles are getting higher, not lower.

Re the whole "we will bring you a loaner tractor", I frankly don't believe. I have seen this sort of thing promised by other vendors, and they can never fulfill the promise, and there is no recourse of they don't. There are only 2 new Fendt Vario 200s for sale in the country today, with the closest in MO. That's not going to be on site in the promised time. I doubt the dealer could even get on site in 48 hrs. Most seem to be available within a week or two. So I place pretty much zero value on that promise.

I'm early in my evaluation of the 200 Vario, and I want an operators manual so I can read up on how the thing actually works and what it can actually do. I don't want a brochure with pictures of happy, attractive people. I want to know what each and every button, knob, and lever does, what every option is, every screen and menu, etc. I want to know what I'm getting for $200k list price. Yes, thats what the list price is. In europe they appear to be more like $125k which would be in line with a fully optioned Deere 5 series.

Anyway, back to the manual. It's not listed on the Agco technical literature web site, and even if it were, I'd have to buy it. I have asked both Fendt and the closest dealer, and they can't get one either. It's been two weeks and nobody can put their hands on an operator manual, let alone get one to me. I'd even be open to paying for it, but frankly Fendt should provide it as a cost of sales on a $200k machine. They were able to convert what appears to be an dealer online maintenance manual into a PDF and sent that to me. It covers basic maintenance which is part of what I am looking for. But there is no table of contents with links or page numbers, no index, just a stream of conscieness document that you would have to search for anything and everything. I'm sure (hopeful) that the real manual is better.

I contrast this with Deere, who from what I have seen is the Gold Standard for this. There are probably between 100 and 200 installation or operation manuals available online for download for the Deere 5M series. They start with the tractors which is a 1,000 page manual. I can also get the info on every option, kit, etc. Then there are the service manuals which are also available online, though you need to pay for them. But I found the 6M service manuals as a package in PDF for about $80. It's 10,000 freakin pages. When people say you can't get repair info from Deere, I honestly don't understand what they are talking about. I can even get a subscription for Service Advisor, though it's pretty pricey. And most calibrations and diagnostics can be done through the tractor console anyway.

So back to Fendt, I actually think the way they are approaching the US market is good. Pick an area, be really good there, build a reputation, then repeat in another area. Based on HayGuy's feedback, they are doing this in his area, and it's working because now I want to know more coming from a different area. But so far I'm just not getting any of what I'm looking for. I'll go fly half way across the country to test drive one. I've done that several times looking at Deere tractors. But only after I have read through the manual and feel like I know what the tractor can do, and that it will fit my needs.
 
   / New utility tractor (100hp range) #24  
I look forward to seeing if they get a dealer down in this part of the country because if they do as you say, they will get some business from some of these large farmers and possibly some from us small ones.
You might consider searching for AGCO/Massey dealers also as well. As Hay Dude noted earlier, you get a lot of the Fendt drivetrain engineering along with reliable diesels up front in their higher horsepower utility tractors.

I have a MF 5465 - that particular tractor has a SISU (Finnish) 132HP engine (some came with a lower HP Perkins) along with a Fendt designed transmission. Very impressive tractor for almost any mid range ag use. Dual hydraulic pumps, powerful MF loader (Quickie) as well. And of course...an air suspension seat.

Point being, you can get a lot of cutting edge European engineering in a tractor that costs somewhat less than the Fendt with a broader dealer network. AGCO parts are readily available. The now defunct CAT/Challenger line were the same basic MF tractors, I believe. That would make a great used tractor if you found a deal on one.

As someone who started out operating Ford 8Ns, Massey TO-20s, and a host of others, I kinda' feel like I'm climbing into a Lamborghini when I get into that 5465, LOL. Not quite as fast tho.'
 
   / New utility tractor (100hp range) #25  
I have been real curious about these Fendt tractors after reading about them on here and the fact that I have never seen one in these parts on anyone's farm, so I put in my zip code in the dealer locator and there isn't one dealer in the state of Florida, maybe that will change but until it does I am sure farmers in these parts will stay green, orange and red, even blue has just about faded out in this area. The one thing I have always liked about John Deere is the fact of getting parts quickly and having a dealer that will deliver them right in the field, no matter what brand you go with make sure you have parts and service.
Pretty sure there is one on the road between Tifton and Albany GA. See them there on the north side of the road. Although quite a drive, still puts them within a days delivery.
David from jax
 
   / New utility tractor (100hp range) #26  
I'm very interested in a Fendt 200 Vario, despite the closest dealer being about 5-6 hrs away. For the right machine, and with the right dealer and company behind it, I would take the risk.

But so far my experience hasn't been very good. I haven't given up, but the hurdles are getting higher, not lower.

Re the whole "we will bring you a loaner tractor", I frankly don't believe. I have seen this sort of thing promised by other vendors, and they can never fulfill the promise, and there is no recourse of they don't. There are only 2 new Fendt Vario 200s for sale in the country today, with the closest in MO. That's not going to be on site in the promised time. I doubt the dealer could even get on site in 48 hrs. Most seem to be available within a week or two. So I place pretty much zero value on that promise.

I'm early in my evaluation of the 200 Vario, and I want an operators manual so I can read up on how the thing actually works and what it can actually do. I don't want a brochure with pictures of happy, attractive people. I want to know what each and every button, knob, and lever does, what every option is, every screen and menu, etc. I want to know what I'm getting for $200k list price. Yes, thats what the list price is. In europe they appear to be more like $125k which would be in line with a fully optioned Deere 5 series.

Anyway, back to the manual. It's not listed on the Agco technical literature web site, and even if it were, I'd have to buy it. I have asked both Fendt and the closest dealer, and they can't get one either. It's been two weeks and nobody can put their hands on an operator manual, let alone get one to me. I'd even be open to paying for it, but frankly Fendt should provide it as a cost of sales on a $200k machine. They were able to convert what appears to be an dealer online maintenance manual into a PDF and sent that to me. It covers basic maintenance which is part of what I am looking for. But there is no table of contents with links or page numbers, no index, just a stream of conscieness document that you would have to search for anything and everything. I'm sure (hopeful) that the real manual is better.

I contrast this with Deere, who from what I have seen is the Gold Standard for this. There are probably between 100 and 200 installation or operation manuals available online for download for the Deere 5M series. They start with the tractors which is a 1,000 page manual. I can also get the info on every option, kit, etc. Then there are the service manuals which are also available online, though you need to pay for them. But I found the 6M service manuals as a package in PDF for about $80. It's 10,000 freakin pages. When people say you can't get repair info from Deere, I honestly don't understand what they are talking about. I can even get a subscription for Service Advisor, though it's pretty pricey. And most calibrations and diagnostics can be done through the tractor console anyway.

So back to Fendt, I actually think the way they are approaching the US market is good. Pick an area, be really good there, build a reputation, then repeat in another area. Based on HayGuy's feedback, they are doing this in his area, and it's working because now I want to know more coming from a different area. But so far I'm just not getting any of what I'm looking for. I'll go fly half way across the country to test drive one. I've done that several times looking at Deere tractors. But only after I have read through the manual and feel like I know what the tractor can do, and that it will fit my needs.
Fendt doesn’t say they’ll bring you the exact same tractor. They might bring you the next series up.

Good luck with Deere. They haven’t been real receptive to farmers working on their own machines in the software parts.
But you’ll never hear me put Deere down as a tractor brand.

I don’t own either brand, but I do own AGCO and their dealership parts & service is great. Fendt is a AGCO product.

I realize tractor ownership is a regional thing. Owning a Fendt in MY area is as common as owning a F-150. I think with the relatively small amount of faming in your area compared to mine, Fendt may be slower to have a big foot print there.

You strike me as a guy that’s well heeled and looking for the best. You also took my suggestion of a CVT tractor. That’s why I recommended Fendt.
 
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   / New utility tractor (100hp range) #27  
Fendt doesn’t say they’ll bring you the exact same tractor. They might bring you the next series up.
Yes, understood.
Good luck with Deere. They haven’t been real receptive to farmers working on their own machines in the software parts.
But you’ll never hear me put Deere down as a tractor brand.
This is one of my questions for Fendt. Is their software available, along with service manuals, etc.? This will be particularly important for me since I'm so far from a dealer. I also typically do all the work on my machines myself.
I don’t own either brand, but I do own AGCO and their dealership parts & service is great. Fendt is a AGCO product.

I realize tractor ownership is a regional thing. Owning a Fendt in MY area is as common as owning a F-150. I think with the relatively small amount of faming in your area compared to mine, Fendt may be slower to have a big foot print there.
I expect that's a big part of it. I doubt anything bigger than a 300 would sell around here.
You strike me as a guy that’s well heeled and looking for the best. You also took my suggestion of a CVT tractor. That’s why I recommended Fendt.
I did well in my career, and am trying to make the most of retirement. As I get older if I can spend some $$ so I can do more and/or do stuff for longer, I'll consider it, and this is one of those things. You were right that a CVT is what fits my needs/wants. I just need one in a mid utility tractor, and nobody but Fendt seems to have that. I don't row crop, and I don't hay. So anything bigger is not only unnecessary, but actually in the way for my needs.

Anyway, I would love it if there's a way to make a Fendt 200 work, and will keep pursuing it. Thanks for turning me on to it.
 
   / New utility tractor (100hp range) #28  
Yes, understood.

This is one of my questions for Fendt. Is their software available, along with service manuals, etc.? This will be particularly important for me since I'm so far from a dealer. I also typically do all the work on my machines myself.

I expect that's a big part of it. I doubt anything bigger than a 300 would sell around here.

I did well in my career, and am trying to make the most of retirement. As I get older if I can spend some $$ so I can do more and/or do stuff for longer, I'll consider it, and this is one of those things. You were right that a CVT is what fits my needs/wants. I just need one in a mid utility tractor, and nobody but Fendt seems to have that. I don't row crop, and I don't hay. So anything bigger is not only unnecessary, but actually in the way for my needs.

Anyway, I would love it if there's a way to make a Fendt 200 work, and will keep pursuing it. Thanks for turning me on to it.
Another possibility might be an off-lease Fendt. They still have warranty coverage and factory discounted financing sometimes through AGCO.
I guess if you can’t find a new one, it might be hard to find a used one.

I saw this in Tractor House. New Holland claims these are CVT



Case IH, claims CVT, too

 
   / New utility tractor (100hp range) #29  
Pretty sure there is one on the road between Tifton and Albany GA. See them there on the north side of the road. Although quite a drive, still puts them within a days delivery.
David from jax
Yep, that's what the dealer map showed, but that's in Georgia about 160 miles from me and a whole nother issue with taxes being out of state, I would need a dealer in Florida but with that being said with the OP mentioning that the Fendt tractor was around $200k , that rules me out, there are dollar bill farmers and nickel and dime farmers, I fall into the nickel and dime category, as a matter of fact my next tractor will more than likely be used if I can find the right one.
 
   / New utility tractor (100hp range) #30  
Another possibility might be an off-lease Fendt. They still have warranty coverage and factory discounted financing sometimes through AGCO.
I guess if you can’t find a new one, it might be hard to find a used one.
I don't recall seeing any used Fendts for sale in the US, which I take as a good sign for the product. There are a number in Europe, but buying and importing a tractor from Europe would not be my first choice.
 

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