No more V8 in F150?

houstonscott · May 20, 2016

RalphVa said:
I agree re the diesel, but BMW has a turbo 2.0 liter in its 328i package that has a tad more torque than our VW TDI 2.0 liter diesel. According to the car testers, they get it my applying more turbo boost in this engine, which is the same 2.0 liter with lesser hp and torque in the 320i. They may be using high CR like Mazda are or may be just getting the CR via the higher boost. Check it out on either the BMW site or the Edmunds site. You may get more specs on the Edmunds site. Then the gas engines start having the same NOx problems as the diesels, BUT they don't have to live with the DEF business. Ralph

DEF is not bad, it works fine and is down stream of mechanicals. EGR has been an issue but new designs are putting EGR gasses through the particulate filter first, that, with much cleaner fuels now at pumps and the issues have all but been solved. Fuels and technology have now caught up together. If CO2 is your thing, diesels produce less than gas. Diesel is superior fuel to gas. HS

Sysop · May 20, 2016

Diesel really isn't a common thing in the half ton truck market. Ram's ecodiesel is not something I wanted as it's built more for fuel economy than towing, and the tow rating is too low for my needs. Nissan's new Cummins is simply attached to too much weight from the factory and is more than I want to drive daily. From the initial tests I've seen, it's not too impressive of a powerplant. I'm not into modifying $50k+ trucks to get more out of them. I'd rather pay the factory for what I need. I'd love to see Ford make a 5.0-5.5L "powerstroke" for the F150 with 350+HP and 500+Torque. I'd trade up in an instant.

BobG_in_VA · May 21, 2016

Man!!! This thread is really getting tedious.....everyone will drive whatever they choose...personnally I want all the foot pounds of engery I can get at the LOWEST rpm...yeah, I'll take a BIG displ. Diesel (ie. 7.3L with Garret turbo) that makes 525 ft/lbs at just above IDLE--(1600rpm) , and will last 350,000 miles with normall maintenance. I have to laugh when I hear about some BMW 1.5L gas engine putting out 1500hp when the same company used to build only air cooled engines that flew against something like a V12 RR Merlin with a super charger; and with all that displacement only made 1710 or so HP in the P-51 Mustang. Personnally I don't care about all the high brow discussions, I only know what it feels like under my right foot when that F350 is pulling over 12000 pounds behind it. I'm sure that the flames are not far behind, but I'm also sure there are a lot of folks out there that agree with me. BobG in VA

aczlan · May 21, 2016

houstonscott said:
I wouldn't get puffed up about Ford finally building a modern engine for Americans. A V6 with DOHC and 4 valves per cylinder is 100 years coming... High pressure TDi was invented by VW and Bosch. Ford is almost 20 years late to that party. Giving a name to this configuration is for low information types not knowing the real names of engine configurations, made it simple for dumb dumbs, eco boost. Nothing new here. It's existence is a response to government regulations. HS

Putting a Di, Turbo, Gas engine into a truck IS a new thing. Ford is the first to put them together in a truck.

houstonscott said:
Most heavy accord and lightest F150 are only 200lbs apart. 3800 for accord and just over 4000 for F150. HS

And a payload of 853# to 1,085# for the Accord vs 1,514# to 2,320# for the F150.
Also, the trailer towing capacity is just a little different. The Accord is rated for 1000# max trailer weight vs 5,000# to 12,200# for the F150.

Aaron Z

Ford850 · May 21, 2016

aczlan said:
Putting a Di, Turbo, Gas engine into a truck IS a new thing. Ford is the first to put them together in a truck.

And a payload of 853# to 1,085# for the Accord vs 1,514# to 2,320# for the F150.
Also, the trailer towing capacity is just a little different. The Accord is rated for 1000# max trailer weight vs 5,000# to 12,200# for the F150.

Aaron Z

Yeah, but other than that, an "F150 with V6 is like Honda Accord with a bed".

Sysop · May 21, 2016

This thread is proof of the saying "opinions are like buttholes. everyone has one and they all stink"...

aczlan · May 21, 2016

Ford850 said:
Yeah, but other than that, an "F150 with V6 is like Honda Accord with a bed".

Probably a LITTLE bit higher hp, torque and duty cycle ratings on an Ecoboost vs the engine in an Accord as well...

Aaron Z

Sysop · May 21, 2016

Bodies can rust on Accords. F150s are now aluminum.

Sysop · May 21, 2016

Just happened across this:

Snobdds · May 21, 2016

HS mind is going to explode...to bad I can't see it in person!

Ready for all the "but, but, but" excuses.

houstonscott · May 22, 2016

Snobdds said:
HS mind is going to explode...to bad I can't see it in person! Ready for all the "but, but, but" excuses.

HS saw these and knew he would never own a Ford. Ford 3.5 EcoBoost Cam Phaser Failure - YouTube F-15 Ecoboost Engine Problems - Cold Start Grind - YouTube HS

Renze · May 22, 2016

houstonscott said:
HS saw these and knew he would never own a Ford. Ford 3.5 EcoBoost Cam Phaser Failure - YouTube F-15 Ecoboost Engine Problems - Cold Start Grind - YouTube HS

And when HS saw these, he knew het would never own a Cummins?

Killer dowel pin missing 5.9 cummins - YouTube

Dowel damage to 5.9 cummins - YouTube

Sysop · May 22, 2016

houstonscott said:
HS saw these and knew he would never own a Ford. Ford 3.5 EcoBoost Cam Phaser Failure - YouTube F-15 Ecoboost Engine Problems - Cold Start Grind - YouTube HS

Someone runs without the dipstick, blows 4 of the 6 quarts of oil out, and you hold the engine design at fault? Are you brainless or just read the title and immediately thought it was some design flaw? Read the description, the owner ran it out of oil. Do you honestly expect your engines to run without oil?

houstonscott · May 26, 2016

Ford recalls 271K pickups to fix brake fluid leak Ford recalls 271K pickups to fix brake fluid leak | Fox News

HS

Snobdds · May 26, 2016

houstonscott said:
Ford recalls 271K pickups to fix brake fluid leak Ford recalls 271K pickups to fix brake fluid leak | Fox News

HS

Such an opportunist...

houstonscott · May 26, 2016

Snobdds said:
Such an opportunist...

Just wouldn't want you F150 guys getting hurt in your superior truck... Might need those brakes with all that V6 power and speed. HS

wawajake · May 26, 2016

houstonscott said:
Just wouldn't want you F150 guys getting hurt in your superior truck... Might need those brakes with all that V6 power and speed. HS

I must admit, that was funny

Diamondpilot · May 26, 2016

All brands have recalls. In a way they are a good thing to a point because the company is stepping up and making it right. GM is by far the worst. I know guys with 2 year old trucks that have had nearly 10 recalls an in one case they disabled a system, heated WWF Res, and gave him a check for something like $50. I would be livid. They would end up buying my truck back if they could not keep each and every option it came with in working order during the warranty period.

Chris

Sysop · May 26, 2016

Agreed. Ford seems to handle such things a bit better than some others.

Not to mention the fact that 271,000 trucks may sound like a lot of trucks to fix, and it also makes up a year or more worth of sales for some companies. But for Ford, that is a TINY drop in the bucket compared to the total number of trucks they built through 2013-2014. Not sure exactly how many of the 743,851 F series trucks sold in 2014 are F150s as compared to the F250 or F350; last I heard was several years back stating that F150s sold more than F250 and F350 combined. If that still holds true, that means they sold well over 350,000 F150s in 2014 alone. The production numbers for 2014 were significantly lower than normal due to plant shutdowns for retooling for the 2015 models. In 2013 they sold even more... 217,000 from 2013 & 2014 is nothing...

It is a minor recall for Ford, so that's not why it's in the news. It's in the news because it is a major safety concern for the drivers of those trucks. It also has nothing to do with the lack of a V8, so it doesn't really apply to the conversation unless all you want to do is nit-pick Ford for ANYTHING at all.

Ford850 · May 26, 2016

I wouldn't say any one is that much above the others. The numbers can change any day. It comes down to them all being at the mercy of suppliers, but they choose and monitor the quality of the suppliers so it still falls on the manufacturer. I'm just pleased to see them issue recalls and do the right thing by fixing problems as they are found.