JerryG
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<font color="blue"> If the majority of people live in the cities then so be it, surely that is fair? </font>
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daedong
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Jerry,
That is head in the sand stuff, surely a doctor in New York, a lawyer in Boston and a car industry worker in Detroit can understand economics and productivity as well as someone from the country, if not better, because those country folk with exceptional talent tend to move to high paid city jobs.
That is head in the sand stuff, surely a doctor in New York, a lawyer in Boston and a car industry worker in Detroit can understand economics and productivity as well as someone from the country, if not better, because those country folk with exceptional talent tend to move to high paid city jobs.
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<font color="blue"> Then the cities with huge populations would control the voting for the entire country.
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I think they (really the people living there) do anyway under the present system. The only thing different would be the scale of the election.
In a given state, isn't it the majority of the popular vote that determines who gets the states electoral votes? And where do most of the people in most states live? I'm guessing condensed in metropolitan areas...But it is not the cities that do the controling, it is the poeple there that get one vote just like the rest of us.
Anyway...matters not where we live...let's get out there and vote.
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I think they (really the people living there) do anyway under the present system. The only thing different would be the scale of the election.
In a given state, isn't it the majority of the popular vote that determines who gets the states electoral votes? And where do most of the people in most states live? I'm guessing condensed in metropolitan areas...But it is not the cities that do the controling, it is the poeple there that get one vote just like the rest of us.
Anyway...matters not where we live...let's get out there and vote.
Chuck52
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At this point in the process, I'd be happy to be ignored. Save me from the campaign ads! And Missery isn't even getting the full load anymore!
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( The way i understand you vote for your president, has to be in my view a very inequitable system. Surly a president elected by the majority of the people is more equitable than by states. )</font>
Our Electoral College is an anachronism from the days when most of the country was rural, and not everyone could get to a town to vote. So the state you lived in gathered its votes ahead of time, then sent a representative to the capitol to vote for you (and the rest of your neighbors in that state). It was a good idea at the time that worked well for its intended purpose, but has now far outlived its usefulness.
What really irks me about U.S. politics is the present-day two party system, which mostly forces people to vote for the lesser of two evils rather than for the best qualified candidate. In that regard, I think your parliamentary system of government is superior to ours.
The bottom line is (as I believe somebody else pointed out) that all democracies in history have eventually failed, after the voters learn that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury. The U.S. is no different, but it has already lasted longer than most democracies.
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Our Electoral College is an anachronism from the days when most of the country was rural, and not everyone could get to a town to vote. So the state you lived in gathered its votes ahead of time, then sent a representative to the capitol to vote for you (and the rest of your neighbors in that state). It was a good idea at the time that worked well for its intended purpose, but has now far outlived its usefulness.
What really irks me about U.S. politics is the present-day two party system, which mostly forces people to vote for the lesser of two evils rather than for the best qualified candidate. In that regard, I think your parliamentary system of government is superior to ours.
The bottom line is (as I believe somebody else pointed out) that all democracies in history have eventually failed, after the voters learn that they can vote themselves money from the public treasury. The U.S. is no different, but it has already lasted longer than most democracies.
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</font><font color="blueclass=small">( Dave
If the majority of people live in the cities then so be it, surely that is fair? )</font>
Not necessarily. Two examples: 1) Over half the voting population in Vermont lives in the Burlington area. Most are People From Away (a politically correct reference to #*%&! Flatlanders) who know little about rural Vermont and could care less. They vote for what helps their city, often at the expense of their rural neighbors. Farms are failing all over the state, and no assistance is coming from the city dwellers. 2) The vast majority of people in California live in the southern half of the state, but most of the resources are in the northern half. So the northerners' efforts to preserve their environment come up hard against the voting block down south that wants those resources.
Add to that the fact that we have a large chunk of voters who are largely ignorant of the issues...but vote anyway. Locally, the owner of a pub is running for office. Everybody knows him. Everybody likes him. Very few know his views on the issues we're facing, but plan on voting for him anyway.
Ahem, Pete
If the majority of people live in the cities then so be it, surely that is fair? )</font>
Not necessarily. Two examples: 1) Over half the voting population in Vermont lives in the Burlington area. Most are People From Away (a politically correct reference to #*%&! Flatlanders) who know little about rural Vermont and could care less. They vote for what helps their city, often at the expense of their rural neighbors. Farms are failing all over the state, and no assistance is coming from the city dwellers. 2) The vast majority of people in California live in the southern half of the state, but most of the resources are in the northern half. So the northerners' efforts to preserve their environment come up hard against the voting block down south that wants those resources.
Add to that the fact that we have a large chunk of voters who are largely ignorant of the issues...but vote anyway. Locally, the owner of a pub is running for office. Everybody knows him. Everybody likes him. Very few know his views on the issues we're facing, but plan on voting for him anyway.
Ahem, Pete
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Jerry,
That is head in the sand stuff, surely a doctor in New York, a lawyer in Boston and a car industry worker in Detroit can understand economics and productivity as well as someone from the country, if not better, because those country folk with exceptional talent tend to move to high paid city jobs.
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Vin, not necessarily. Many country folk are tremendously well educated. On the hill upon which my wife and I live are a total of ten full time adult residents. Between us there are 32 college degrees including 8 graduate degrees. Yet we stay here and tend our mostly hobby farms, raising our animals and staying as well informed as we can.
Our local county hospital, a tiny little thing, has some world class talent. Physicians and other health care professionals who abandoned the crazyiness of the big cities in favor of a saner way of life. In the valley lives a self-made millionaire who developed the software used by the hospitality industry world wide. The cranky old antiques dealer across the valley has a master's in business admin.
In fact, if you ever want to witness applied intelligence, come to a New England Town Meeting. The entire community gathers together to discuss issues from multiple opposing points of view...and somehow things stay as civil as they do here on TBN. And the farmer is listened to as attentively as the lawyer.
Pete
That is head in the sand stuff, surely a doctor in New York, a lawyer in Boston and a car industry worker in Detroit can understand economics and productivity as well as someone from the country, if not better, because those country folk with exceptional talent tend to move to high paid city jobs.
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Vin, not necessarily. Many country folk are tremendously well educated. On the hill upon which my wife and I live are a total of ten full time adult residents. Between us there are 32 college degrees including 8 graduate degrees. Yet we stay here and tend our mostly hobby farms, raising our animals and staying as well informed as we can.
Our local county hospital, a tiny little thing, has some world class talent. Physicians and other health care professionals who abandoned the crazyiness of the big cities in favor of a saner way of life. In the valley lives a self-made millionaire who developed the software used by the hospitality industry world wide. The cranky old antiques dealer across the valley has a master's in business admin.
In fact, if you ever want to witness applied intelligence, come to a New England Town Meeting. The entire community gathers together to discuss issues from multiple opposing points of view...and somehow things stay as civil as they do here on TBN. And the farmer is listened to as attentively as the lawyer.
Pete
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Hey chuck,
Sorry, I was out for a while. I applaud your sons efforts to learn politics. This is a subject that is important to everyone. I wish more people would be as studious as us. Maybe we should just let you guys up there decide. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Anyway, Most of the colleges around here are just as I described. Otherwise, I would not have made my post.
Sorry, I was out for a while. I applaud your sons efforts to learn politics. This is a subject that is important to everyone. I wish more people would be as studious as us. Maybe we should just let you guys up there decide. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Anyway, Most of the colleges around here are just as I described. Otherwise, I would not have made my post.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( No Politics??????? Take a look at what is at the top of the page when this thread appears.....
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JUNKMAN; i was thinking the same thing. but on another note, i finally after many arguments ove the last 40 years finally got the wife to register to vote(under penalty of divorce) /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif sent in her voter registration 2 weeks before due and as yet have not recived a card or her place to vote, i know it will be the same as mine , but if there is a problem i have all the ans, for problem in voting. there was an article in the paper today explaning what to do.
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JUNKMAN; i was thinking the same thing. but on another note, i finally after many arguments ove the last 40 years finally got the wife to register to vote(under penalty of divorce) /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif sent in her voter registration 2 weeks before due and as yet have not recived a card or her place to vote, i know it will be the same as mine , but if there is a problem i have all the ans, for problem in voting. there was an article in the paper today explaning what to do.
Marine1
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California,
I agree with you on the division thing. It's absolutely rediculous. I'm only calling it as I see it. Down here it's absolutely crazy. Students are protesting and they don't even know the facts. We have even had two professors that I know of who got into trouble for inciting. Chuck 52 has given me some hope for the future. I was seriously worried that this was everywhere.
Oh, by the way, you are correct. See what 30+ years of Political Science will do for you. /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
I agree with you on the division thing. It's absolutely rediculous. I'm only calling it as I see it. Down here it's absolutely crazy. Students are protesting and they don't even know the facts. We have even had two professors that I know of who got into trouble for inciting. Chuck 52 has given me some hope for the future. I was seriously worried that this was everywhere.
Oh, by the way, you are correct. See what 30+ years of Political Science will do for you. /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
