Not PT but check it out anyway

   / Not PT but check it out anyway #11  
That tractor can really mow fast. If it wasn't for the hills, I would be done sooner. The tractor is a two speed hydrostatic, and I have to keep it in low on the hilly sections. In high it can only handle about 15 degrees. It is somewhat difficult to shift. This is one place where the PT tram pump with treadle is much better.

What's the process of shifting involve? Just curious, as some PT owners have pondered two speed wheel motor setups, which would be awfully hard to coordinate.

My 2001 PT425, for instance, was set up as a compromise between good mowing speed and moderate torque. As a result, is is a good front end loader for moving large amounts of loose material rapidly, but it does not have enough guts to dig into hard packed earth. That has been alleviated somewhat with the newer wheel motors on the current generation of PT425, but it would still be nice to have a maximum wheel torque mode and a high speed travel mode.
 
   / Not PT but check it out anyway
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What's the process of shifting involve? Just curious, as some PT owners have pondered two speed wheel motor setups, which would be awfully hard to coordinate.

My 2001 PT425, for instance, was set up as a compromise between good mowing speed and moderate torque. As a result, is is a good front end loader for moving large amounts of loose material rapidly, but it does not have enough guts to dig into hard packed earth. That has been alleviated somewhat with the newer wheel motors on the current generation of PT425, but it would still be nice to have a maximum wheel torque mode and a high speed travel mode.

There is a shift lever on the left side. The machine must be somewhat still. Often the gears will not mesh, so if it won't change gears you need to inch forward or reverse ever so slightly. The machine comes out of the old gear before going into the new one, so half way into the shift, the machine is free wheeling in neutral. This is a dangerous situation, because it has no brakes whatsoever. Don't ever shift on a hill, unless you are sideways. It takes some getting used to, and most of the time I just leave it in low when cutting hilly areas.

This machine does not have wheel motors, but rather hydraulic transaxles. They grab really well with the dualies. I can easily go straight up a 30 degree slope, in low gear, without losing traction. The draft control is done with springs, which actually is more responsive than the PT pressure valve. The weight distribution is not nearly as good as the PT, because the engine is up front. This thing would make an awful loader.

The engine, though, is very nice. It is a 31 HP B&S Vanguard, which is actually a Daihatsu, made by Toyota. It is a 950 cc motor that has a full cast iron block, three cylinder. This machine is much better protected against overheating, as it has an easy to clean screen on the radiator, combined with an audible beep when it gets over 220 degrees. When the grass is wet it never overheats, only when it is really dry. The only knock is that I wish it had just a little more power. I can't go as fast as I want to on the hills, but after all I am trying to mow with a 7 foot deck.

The operator comforts are much better. It has a really nice suspension seat, and a really nice steering wheel. The wheel on my PT is a complete joke, my kid's toys have better steering wheels than the PT. It has a cup holder and a big storage compartment. There is a really sweet cab option for the Ventrac, but I doubt I will ever have a real need for it.
 
   / Not PT but check it out anyway #13  
In a normal tractor with HST there is an engine, a pump/transmission, a hi-lo range selector and driveshafts going to the two axles.

So if it has two hydraulic transaxles, where is the shift taking place? I'm cornfused! :laughing:
 
   / Not PT but check it out anyway #14  
On my steiner it was actually inside each transaxle. A shifter for the front and a cable tied to the shifter to the back transaxle. If the cable would break I would have had a dual set up, high range for the front and low or high in the back depending what range it was in before the cable broke. Oh they can be free wheeling, I hit a tree in mine trying to shift it to a different range. It was only 3 feet drive but still broke the steering wheel. Oh well, lessons learned.
 
   / Not PT but check it out anyway #15  
On my steiner it was actually inside each transaxle. A shifter for the front and a cable tied to the shifter to the back transaxle. If the cable would break I would have had a dual set up, high range for the front and low or high in the back depending what range it was in before the cable broke. Oh they can be free wheeling, I hit a tree in mine trying to shift it to a different range. It was only 3 feet drive but still broke the steering wheel. Oh well, lessons learned.

O.K. so each transaxle has a hi-lo range and they are operated simultaneously by a common control. That makes sense. Thanks. :)
 
   / Not PT but check it out anyway #16  
Thanks all. I took a couple more so you can see the striping that the Ventrac mower creates.

(I didn't get the hill behind the house yet)

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braggert! ;)
 
   / Not PT but check it out anyway #17  
My Steiner has a emergency brake that clamps onto some disc brakes. I would think that Ventrac has that setup as well.

Steve
 
   / Not PT but check it out anyway #18  
My Steiner has a emergency brake that clamps onto some disc brakes. I would think that Ventrac has that setup as well.

Steve

You are correct Steve. The Ventrac does have disc brakes. The same lever that you use to put it into neutral assist or into a cruise setting is the parking break. NEVER shift on a hill, shifting is actually very simple if it is done properly. You should be on flat ground with the tractor in park. If you do shift on a hill and it does not pop into the low gear and remains in neutral, simply pull the parking break lever down and you will stop immediately.

This may help :)
Ventrac - Slope Mowing Safety
 

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