Tractor Sizing Nothing-Electronic... 4x4... cabin.. 6-cyl?

[LouNY]

I only have a rough idea about such features, like on my 426 they would involve solenoids but no electronic/digital services? I don't follow, NLA.. no longer available? And I should've said 5.9's in the the 5xy0 series, these being 1990-1997 vintage [from tractordata.com]

5130 1990-1991 6cyl 99hp
6-12, four speeds (1-4) in four ranges (I-IV). Synchronized shifting between speeds and ranges with the clutch. Power shuttle shifting with column-mounted left-hand reverser lever.

5130 1990-1997 6cyl 105hp
6-12, four synchronized gears gears in four synchronized ranges with power shuttle.

5140 1990-1991 6cyl Turbo 108hp
6-12 sync, four speeds (1-4) in four ranges (I-IV). Synchronized shifting between speeds and ranges with the clutch. Power shuttle shifting with column-mounted left-hand reverser lever.

5140 1990-1997 6-cyl turbo 117hp
6-12, power-shuttle, four synchronized gears gears in four synchronized ranges with power shuttle.

5150 1992-1997 6-cyl turbo 132hp
16-12, 4-speed power-shift, four power shift gears in four synchronized ranges with power shuttle.

5230 1992-1997 5.9 100hp
16-12 sync

5240 1992-1997 5.9 turbo 111hp
16-12 sync

5250 1992-1997 5.9 turbo 112hp
16-12 PARTIAL power-shift

I suspect that the level of electronics/digitals increased during 1990-97 so i'd be trying to sort out on that basis. Solenoids are just electrical, i don't like them but can live with them

I know that you are looking at a 5.9 cummins,
have you considered the 8.3 cummins it was used in the IH Magnum series,
most of them had the 18 speed power shift, little electronics,
extremly durable and reliable, good operating tractor,
the 7110's started around 130 hp then you can go up the 7240 with the same basic engine was over 200 hp.

 

[Farmer495]

I only have a rough idea about such features, like on my 426 they would involve solenoids but no electronic/digital services? I don't follow, NLA.. no longer available? And I should've said 5.9's in the the 5xy0 series, these being 1990-1997 vintage [from tractordata.com]

5130 1990-1991 6cyl 99hp
6-12, four speeds (1-4) in four ranges (I-IV). Synchronized shifting between speeds and ranges with the clutch. Power shuttle shifting with column-mounted left-hand reverser lever.

5130 1990-1997 6cyl 105hp
6-12, four synchronized gears gears in four synchronized ranges with power shuttle.

5140 1990-1991 6cyl Turbo 108hp
6-12 sync, four speeds (1-4) in four ranges (I-IV). Synchronized shifting between speeds and ranges with the clutch. Power shuttle shifting with column-mounted left-hand reverser lever.

5140 1990-1997 6-cyl turbo 117hp
6-12, power-shuttle, four synchronized gears gears in four synchronized ranges with power shuttle.

5150 1992-1997 6-cyl turbo 132hp
16-12, 4-speed power-shift, four power shift gears in four synchronized ranges with power shuttle.

5230 1992-1997 5.9 100hp
16-12 sync

5240 1992-1997 5.9 turbo 111hp
16-12 sync

5250 1992-1997 5.9 turbo 112hp
16-12 PARTIAL power-shift

I suspect that the level of electronics/digitals increased during 1990-97 so i'd be trying to sort out on that basis. Solenoids are just electrical, i don't like them but can live with them

You'd want the syncro (two H pattern sticks) if you want it "simpler" I am going to guess most cab 4x4 have the powershift and open station 2wd are syncro.

 

[RickB]

I worked for a CaseIH dealer back in the late 1990’s and powershift Maxxums outnumbered synchros at that dealership by about 20/1.

 

[fitterski]

The Case-IH Maxxum 51xx & 52xx are in many ways similar. Why were they two different series? Was it the 52 series that saw a revised shuttle switch? What other differences? The two series covered more or less the same years. I've talked to several farmers who had these before and they were all very satisfied.

 

[fitterski]

So what happen with the CAT motor in the TLB?

missed this one

huh?

 

[Farmer495]

The Case-IH Maxxum 51xx & 52xx are in many ways similar. Why were they two different series? Was it the 52 series that saw a revised shuttle switch? What other differences? The two series covered more or less the same years. I've talked to several farmers who had these before and they were all very satisfied.

5200 was just next newer one, I remember "N" getting added to the shuttle shift for the 5200 series, but that may have been on the late 5100 as well.

 

[fitterski]

Just fishing for a general purpose 4x4 tractor ...

I've sold my little B-275 and am looking again, and since this thread already has the right title .....

I do have an A1 Cummins 5.9 but I don't want to limit myself to that engine. Having just cased the Belarus MTZ-1221 I discover that even that make (known for it's otherwise desirable rudimentary design philosophy) is now FORCED to utilize electronic and digital engine controls etc. on export products. I simply WILL NOT HAVE ANY OF THAT, so I'll be looking at older models of the major makers.

Except for engine starting, what model-year (generally) should I consider as the last allowable year for a used 4x4 utuility tractor if I want to be able to operate without a battery or an alternator even? I'm also interested in specific major brand names with the same proviso i.e. Case, NH, Deere, Belarus, etc. but don't want t paint myself into a corner with a model for which parts are no longer available (I've read for example that the Case 5130 has a problematic fwd/rev switch that can neither be replaced NOR is a DIY suited design).

 

[Farmer495]

I've sold my little B-275 and am looking again, and since this thread already has the right title .....

I do have an A1 Cummins 5.9 but I don't want to limit myself to that engine. Having just cased the Belarus MTZ-1221 I discover that even that make (known for it's otherwise desirable rudimentary design philosophy) is now FORCED to utilize electronic and digital engine controls etc. on export products. I simply WILL NOT HAVE ANY OF THAT, so I'll be looking at older models of the major makers.

Except for engine starting, what model-year (generally) should I consider as the last allowable year for a used 4x4 utuility tractor if I want to be able to operate without a battery or an alternator even? I'm also interested in specific major brand names with the same proviso i.e. Case, NH, Deere, Belarus, etc. but don't want t paint myself into a corner with a model for which parts are no longer available (I've read for example that the Case 5130 has a problematic fwd/rev switch that can neither be replaced NOR is a DIY suited design).

What HP do you really need and do you still need it to be 6 cyl?

Most 20 year old + 4cyl cab utilities had mechanical pump, dry clutch, mechanical transmission and limited wiring.

 

[arie515]

MTZ/Belarus - there is a very limited number of "grandfathered" units with Tier 3 engines still available in USA/Canada
105, 122 and 155 hp models.
Most are purely mechanical: no DEF, no Computers, No complicated electronics. Contact the company for details info@mtzequipment.com or 1-855-246-4689

 

[DieselBound]

1st world problems...