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JDgreen227
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Now THAT is the kind of commercial I enjoy, even if it's on YouTube, which I usually detest. Looks like a young Mel Gibson in the back of the cop car...is the commercial THAT old?
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Now THAT is the kind of commercial I enjoy, even if it's on YouTube, which I usually detest. Looks like a young Mel Gibson in the back of the cop car...is the commercial THAT old?
I think around 2006. Not sure though. It's not new I do know that.
QRTRHRS
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Good thread. Just thought I would ask, how many of you folks that posted have been watching Barrett-Jackson. It just does not get any sweeter that some of the rides one sees on there.
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QRTRHRS said:
I'm hooked! I love seeing the old muscle cars. Oh, btw, no such thing as an over powered car, but there are men with testosterone deficiencies.
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I subscribe to both Hemmings Muscle Machines and Hemmings Classic Car, I always drool over the cars featured there and pictured in the auction ads. Latest issue of HCC has an auction profile of a numbers matching, body off restored '62 Vette fuelie....drool, drool, drool....
Oh yes, I watch the auctions sometimes, and when I do, it is fun to guess how much the cars will actually end up selling for. HMM lists mini auction results for maybe 20 cars each month.
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I drool over the Superbirds...
Always thought they were butt-ugly what with the add on plastic nose and wing...
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They remind me of Allis Chalmers "G"; it is so ugly it is cute! I didn't used to like the Jag XKE either, but the convertible version has grown on me...
I know when the Superbirds first came out, they could not sell them because people thought they were extreme; many dealerships pulled the wings and noses just to get them to sell. The other thing is, NASCAR changed the rules after the Daytona, and forced Mopar to make a lot more Superbirds
I know when the Superbirds first came out, they could not sell them because people thought they were extreme; many dealerships pulled the wings and noses just to get them to sell. The other thing is, NASCAR changed the rules after the Daytona, and forced Mopar to make a lot more Superbirds
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They were weird looking, but fiercely competitive. As for Mopars, I think the 70 Cuda is my favorite followed closely by the 70 Charger. Of course both need the Hemi!!
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The Daytona and Superbird were the first cars to crack the 200mph barrier. Even by todays standards, they are very aerodynamic. Let them run the 426 hemi and put modern rubber on them, they would dominate NASCAR even today.
They ran 200 in an era without restriction. Modern cars would kill them under the same rules.
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Thats was kind of my point. The wing cars would have a huge advantage today because of the downforce. Also the 426 hemi would never meet the restritive rules Nascar has today.
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Your post makes me wonder about the power developed by the Hemi back then vs. the power developed by todays race engines with the restrictions mandated by Nascar today. Current cars produce about 750 hp with 358 cubic inches. I did find a lot of info that the street 426 Hemis were rated at 425 hp. Actual hp would have been higher. Race car hp...600 maybe?
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Its tough to compare the older engines with the newer ones. Todays Nascar engines turn some crazy high RPM's, approaching 10,000 rpms. If you applied todays techology to a 426 hemi, there is little doubt it would make more power than todays Nascar engines. The displacement advantage alone would account for quite a few horsepower and the hemi head design is also a advantage. If you watch top fuel drag racing, they are still running engines based on the 426 hemi, and in that form, the power is measured in thousands of horsepower. They don't really know how much power they make exactly.
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The mfrs. have been cheating on hp for a spell..The superbird had a lot more HP that they posted...The standard hemi engine had parts good enough to sell the car..The good parts came later in the wallet...Like the chevys..I liked my BIl dodge demon with the 340 sleeper motor in it too...The ground effect panels scared the racers, after all it has proven several times at the big track, Speed makes a car FLY, sometimes into the stands..I see the fences are getting a lot stronger and higher at the tracks..almost as high as the TICKETS???
RobertN
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The 426 Hemi were the first restricted motors. Nothing could keep up with them. GM was a non-player at the time. As sweet as the Ford 427's were, they could not keep up. NASCAR leveled the field by restricting the Hemi first.
Run a unrestricted Hemi Daytona or Superbird with modern tires; I would put my money on the the old Mopar.
I'd even put a Holman-Moody Talledega against these new cars, with modern tires. By late '70, NASCAR was restricting Ford and Mopar, because they were too fast and dangerous...
Run a unrestricted Hemi Daytona or Superbird with modern tires; I would put my money on the the old Mopar.
I'd even put a Holman-Moody Talledega against these new cars, with modern tires. By late '70, NASCAR was restricting Ford and Mopar, because they were too fast and dangerous...
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Back when NASCAR was NASCAR... not what it is today. :thumbsup:
I still say they should abandon "spec" cars and go back to "stock" cars.. something you can actually buy.. maybe in limited numbers for homologation, but still available. That about the only way ill go back to watching.
Not only would it increase sales at the dealerships but it would advance consumer vehicle engineering... But thats just a dream...
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My thoughts exactly. I used to like stock car racing, but have no interest in NASCAR anymore.
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Same here...like most "sports", there's too much money involved in it to be a sport.
Bird, you remember a mid-60's racer named Fred Lorenzon? Drove for Ford for a while. How about Parnelli Jones?
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Bird, as much as the cars in Nascar today are tweaked far away from factory specs, back in the olden days of racing, cheating was rampant and really widespread and a lot of the racers didn't seem to care about being honest. One of the biggest frauds was the so called "15/16 scale " 1966-67 Chevelles built by Smokey Yunick. The rules said a builder could use any "manufactured" frame, which Smokey interpreted as meaning he could "manufacture" his own frame...and that was just the tip of the cheating edges old Smokey put on those cars.
Those cars had a destroked 416 CID Chevrolet rat motor that displaced 416 cubic inches, horsepower was rated at 450 @ 7600 rpm. Weight was 3,900 pounds.
BTW, I followed NASCAR back in the old days too, but gradually lost interest.
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