Pete 335

[Hay Dude]

You can lift the tag when you’re off road. If it’s sunk and still hitting the tag you’re probably stuck anyway. I’d like to see the specs on the 8.3 but I’m guessing it’s 250 hp 800 fp of torque. But it’s gears that get the job done and single axels are usually lacking on gears. I’d bet money on a tandem truck with lockers on the back and no power to the front beating this truck off road pulling the same 16 tons. 8 tires pulling beats 6 and that’s assuming the 6 wheeler has lockers on both ends which it probably doesn’t.

Why would you guess?
I already contacted local Pete dealer. According to the VIN, it’s 300/860.
I mean what’s so difficult about that? It was available up to 325/1000 in the PX-8 in 2009
The Pete has driver controlled locker according to seller.

 

[4570Man]

Well, if you call 250Hp DT466s or CAT C7 at 275Hp more powerful than an 8.3L Cummins @ 300Hp “plain silly”, there not much left to discuss.

A C7 cat or DT466 isn’t enough motor in a tandem. You can get tandems with way more power than that. But you’re still ignoring the tandems have more gears. You can get all the power and gears that you want to pay for in a tandem.

 

[RickB]

Well, if you call 250Hp DT466s or CAT C7 at 275Hp more powerful than an 8.3L Cummins @ 300Hp “plain silly”, there not much left to discuss.

Torque moves the load, not horsepower. Frankly I wouldn't touch a C7 or an 8.3 in a tandem. And I sure wouldn't be looking at a DT of any displacement. I'm pretty certain I never mentioned a C7 or DT despite the C7's 300 hp 925 ft/lb top rating.
Frankly I think a 4wd chassis has more negative attributes than positives, but that's another discussion. Fuel economy, maneuverability, general maintenance and tire cost will be higher than a conventional twin screw. For a hay hauler it's something I have never seen and even uncommon for silage and grain hauling in most of the US.
Once again you are looking for affirmation and not constructive criticism. I wish you luck in your truck search.

 

[Hay Dude]

I buy diesels mostly by displacement and torque. The manufacturer says it’s rated at 860tq, actually pretty high for a single axle back in 2009. All the IH’s are 466/530 which are a really small displacement/HP and torque for a 6x. The Freightliners have many different engines, but most are lower HP/th than this one.
This truck I found was a 4x with 300/860. Not a power house by any means, but more than 9 out of 10 tandems I have found.
The real kicker is I can get it pretty cheap, it has low hours, low miles and a Pete cab
I am a former owner of a IH4800 4x4 and it didn’t have maneuverability issues at all. My current Case-IH magnum has a 8.3L Cummins and it’s hands down the best tractor engine I own.

The constructive criticism is totally fine, but I don’t understand the dislike of the 8.3L? In my area, it’s a much sought after engine. It’s found in all kinds of AG and construction equipment. I don’t hear anything bad about them.
If the key is displacement, they have more than a DT or a C7. If you want torque, this one has a higher TQ rating than most of the tandems I am driving.

 

[Hay Dude]

A C7 cat or DT466 isn’t enough motor in a tandem. You can get tandems with way more power than that. But you’re still ignoring the tandems have more gears. You can get all the power and gears that you want to pay for in a tandem.

So let’s slow all this down a bit, because you are incorrect. The Pete is a single, not a tandem.
I am looking for a used truck in the under 50-k range, I don’t have an unlimited budget
Looking at moderately used Tandem or heavy built single with automatic and all wheel drive.
I never said I wanted a C7 or DT466. I said that’s what virtually all the local trucks in my price range are equipped with. So far, all have been IH Or Freightliners with DT 466/530 or C7 and a few 5.9s.
Now I found this Pete, pretty cheap, in nice shape, with an 8.3L Cummins with a higher rating than I usually see.

“tandems have more gears”

No, they don’t, not when they have an automatic. I have driven a couple with allison automatics and they have either 5 or 6 gears. Same as a single.

“you can get all the power and gears you want to pay for in a tandem“

yeah, maybe but I don’t have all that money to pay for the higher priced tandems with more HP and I don’t want a manual. Those are way out of my price range.

I can do this 2 ways…a long tandem-say 25’, or a shorter single-say 16’, and pull a 25’ trailer. The single with the trailer will haul a lot more hay and also be more maneuverable. Also, when unloaded, it will be great for getting in/out smaller fields for smaller deliveries. Add the trailer for bigger fields and bigger delivery

 

[4570Man]

You can want whatever you want but a 10 speed manual will run circles around a 5 or 6 speed automatic especially when it doesn’t have enough power.

 

[5030]

Just buy it. You seem to have lots of jack....

 

[RickB]

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You can want whatever you want but a 10 speed manual will run circles around a 5 or 6 speed automatic especially when it doesn’t have enough power.

And has to push a 4wd axle down the road. There isn't a truck of any size that exists that has as much available hp and equal fuel mileage in 4wd trim than in 2wd. Speaking of which, what's the axle ratio in this Pete?

 

[4570Man]

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And has to push a 4wd axle down the road. There isn't a truck of any size that exists that has as much available hp and equal fuel mileage in 4wd trim than in 2wd. Speaking of which, what's the axle ratio in this Pete?

Here’s my 750 in it’s last gear. This is a 6 speed manual with a fixed rear. I wanted a different option than that but this truck checked every other box I wanted.

 

[Big Barn]

You will be fine with the 10speed.

My single axle Freightliner had the 330HP MB engine with 8LL and it was fine.

I did the opposite of you. I SHORTENED the wheelbase. LOL.

 

[4570Man]

You will be fine with the 10speed.

My single axle Freightliner had the 330HP MB engine with 8LL and it was fine.

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I did the opposite of you. I SHORTENED the wheelbase. LOL.

It’s not a 10 speed though.

 

[Big Barn]

Okay I just reread and realized the OP is wanting auto shift which I think is great.

8LL would also be good for his off road low speed needs. 8 road speeds and two double reduction.

 

[RickB]

8LL would be outstanding. A10 speed with the proper finals would be very good too.

 

[Rustyiron]

Over in Chambersburg....
Gotta watch govt.planet for these. They only run the Cat 3126 with allison a/t, but central tire inflation is a cool thing .
Do you get Lancaster farming? Over the same direction there's Martin's farm trucks.

 

[Hay Dude]

Over in Chambersburg....
Gotta watch govt.planet for these. They only run the Cat 3126 with allison a/t, but central tire inflation is a cool thing .
Do you get Lancaster farming? Over the same direction there's Martin's farm trucks.

Neat Stewart Stevenson, but I couldn’t do anything with that truck.

I don’t need a ton of power and don’t need a ton of gears, either. I’m not in a big hurry and with the high and low range transfer case, I will have more gears and gear reduction than I know what to do with.

I need traction and easy to drive so I can get in/out of hay fields with loads of hay and the occasional load of logs from dropping trees around fields and to pull a trailer of hay or maybe a pice of equipment.

 

[Hay Dude]

8LL would be outstanding. A10 speed with the proper finals would be very good too.

Good grief….I’m done with shifting.
Why would I shift gears manually, especially when off road and lose all my turbo boost and RPM when an Allison automatic will keep me moving and keep me from getting stuck?
Manual transmissions are from stone ages when you compare them to today’s modern Allisons, Fuller autoshifts and CAT, etc. automatics.

Military uses them in all their trucks, and they need off road traction

 

[RickB]

I can't fathom why you need 4wd to haul bales out of a hayfield. Or anyone being able to make hay there again after you tear the sod all up and rut the fields all to hell. And how do you get hay dry enough to bale with all that soil moisture that is requiring you to have 4wd? Or doesn't mushroom hay have to be dry? The entire premise is absurd to me. But hey, what do I know? Back to post #13. Wants and needs. Have fun.

 

[4570Man]

I can't fathom why you need 4wd to haul bales out of a hayfield. Or anyone being able to make hay there again after you tear the sod all up and rut the fields all to hell. And how do you get hay dry enough to bale with all that soil moisture that is requiring you to have 4wd? Or doesn't mushroom hay have to be dry? The entire premise is absurd to me. But hey, what do I know?

That’s what I was thinking but I’m assuming he’s making winter time deliveries.

 

[RickB]

He lives in Maryland for Pete's sake.

 

[Hay Dude]

To the unfathomable lol:
I have to access some fields by driving “off road”. Bringing them out to the road to load is not an option.
Yes we make a good deal of mushroom hay (and feed hay) on not wet, but let’s say less than dry, and very hilly conditions.
Also planning on a flatbed mounted spreader to spread fields in the future. Will use truck to spread my fields which cover many miles in different directions. I don’t know if this will actually happen, but it might.

Heck fellers, guys driving around in F550/GM 5500/ Ram 5500’s with 4WD all the time. You get all freaked out about the next size truck being 4WD like it’s got 2 heads or something lol

Might help you guys to realize not one size fits all.