Photo comparison: NH, Kubota, Branson, JD, etc
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Syncro
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Design is the art of compromise, and it is interesting to see the different choices made. Looking at the Kioti (because I've looked at that unit more), they obviously wanted the connections easy to access, and they have both a cross-hood brace for the sub frame and a foot guard. The foot guard pushed the connection block up, and the brace is what caused the hoses to go up so high. It's all a matter of what order of priority the various features/requirements in.
From a strength standpoint, I really like the brace, and I wish my Rhino had one. It's a simple part, and must add significantly to the overall strength of the subframe. I think the only other one here that has one is the B7800?
From a strength standpoint, I really like the brace, and I wish my Rhino had one. It's a simple part, and must add significantly to the overall strength of the subframe. I think the only other one here that has one is the B7800?
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Syncro . . . just to stick with some of the other definitions, your loader control/valve are "loader mounted," your hoses are "protected," and the loader control hand movement appears to be "vertical."
Now as for your comments that could loosely be defined as "opinion" there are people reading this thread that don't like opinions, so please keep those to yourself /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif For example, I would never point out anything like the "L" shaped bucket: <font color="red"> easier to fill than the 'C' type but as can be seen gotta be carful to correct loader leveling when its raised with a full load to prevent dropping part of the load on that pretty hood. </font> and that sure is a pretty red hood so those rocks your "assistant" is loading into the "L" shaped bucket need to stay inside that bucket.
Maka . . . just to stick with the definitions, your loader valve is "loader mounted," the movement to control the bucket appears to be "vertical" the right side of the tractor is "accessable" and the hoses appear to be "protected."
To20Chris . . . the Kubota B2910 also has the cross brace like the Kioti and the Kubota B7800, but that model is now discontinued and replaced by the B3030.
As for the hoses pointing up, I would think that is more a function of the direction the valve is positioned more than the height. There are other tractors (most of them on this thread if my count is correct) that have loader mounted valves but still have the hoses protected. I wonder if they are using angled couplers? or if the angle of the valve is just different? or if some brands do it one way, others to it another.
My opinion is that unprotected hoses are not necessarily a bad thing, many folks here have flat land, few trees, and nothing to snag a hose. Others have thick woods and brambles and may choose a different style. I just got back in from working my TC24 (too small to qualify for posting pictures on this thread, but that doesn't use hoses into or out of the valve, it is piped with rigid pipe out of the loader valve to the front of the tractor where the quick connects are located. So I guess each tractor is just different based on its particular need??? But I totally agree with you that all tractor design is a compramise. No tractor is perfect for every user.
Varmitist . . . looking at your photo, it appears that your hoses are "protected" as they do not appear to be above the loader arms. You wrote that they are "unprotected" and I'm not trying to argue with yout, but from the view of the photo, they look like they are protected by the arm becuase they appear to run along side the arm. To be considered "unprotected" the hoses would have to protrude above both the hood and the arm.
MossRoad . . . where are the PowerTrac guys? We could really use a 30hp PT series of photos to turn this thread upside down! Can you arrange anything for us?
Now as for your comments that could loosely be defined as "opinion" there are people reading this thread that don't like opinions, so please keep those to yourself /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif For example, I would never point out anything like the "L" shaped bucket: <font color="red"> easier to fill than the 'C' type but as can be seen gotta be carful to correct loader leveling when its raised with a full load to prevent dropping part of the load on that pretty hood. </font> and that sure is a pretty red hood so those rocks your "assistant" is loading into the "L" shaped bucket need to stay inside that bucket.
Maka . . . just to stick with the definitions, your loader valve is "loader mounted," the movement to control the bucket appears to be "vertical" the right side of the tractor is "accessable" and the hoses appear to be "protected."
To20Chris . . . the Kubota B2910 also has the cross brace like the Kioti and the Kubota B7800, but that model is now discontinued and replaced by the B3030.
As for the hoses pointing up, I would think that is more a function of the direction the valve is positioned more than the height. There are other tractors (most of them on this thread if my count is correct) that have loader mounted valves but still have the hoses protected. I wonder if they are using angled couplers? or if the angle of the valve is just different? or if some brands do it one way, others to it another.
My opinion is that unprotected hoses are not necessarily a bad thing, many folks here have flat land, few trees, and nothing to snag a hose. Others have thick woods and brambles and may choose a different style. I just got back in from working my TC24 (too small to qualify for posting pictures on this thread, but that doesn't use hoses into or out of the valve, it is piped with rigid pipe out of the loader valve to the front of the tractor where the quick connects are located. So I guess each tractor is just different based on its particular need??? But I totally agree with you that all tractor design is a compramise. No tractor is perfect for every user.
Varmitist . . . looking at your photo, it appears that your hoses are "protected" as they do not appear to be above the loader arms. You wrote that they are "unprotected" and I'm not trying to argue with yout, but from the view of the photo, they look like they are protected by the arm becuase they appear to run along side the arm. To be considered "unprotected" the hoses would have to protrude above both the hood and the arm.
MossRoad . . . where are the PowerTrac guys? We could really use a 30hp PT series of photos to turn this thread upside down! Can you arrange anything for us?
Syncro
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<font color="blue"> "..... the loader control hand movement appears to be "vertical."
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Bob, what is the difference between a vertical control and a horiz one? I know what vert and horiz are, but don't follow what you're saying. I've never seen a joy stick that was pulled up if thats what you mean by a vertical control.
<font color="blue"> "Now as for your comments that could loosely be defined as "opinion" there are people reading this thread that don't like opinions, so please keep those to yourself" </font>
Alright, I'll respect your opinion on this. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Bob, what is the difference between a vertical control and a horiz one? I know what vert and horiz are, but don't follow what you're saying. I've never seen a joy stick that was pulled up if thats what you mean by a vertical control.
<font color="blue"> "Now as for your comments that could loosely be defined as "opinion" there are people reading this thread that don't like opinions, so please keep those to yourself" </font>
Alright, I'll respect your opinion on this. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
RedRocker
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Hey Redrocker. I like that tractor and the bucket looks great with the toothbar.
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Thanks, just built it before I took the pic. I got to use it today, world of difference with that on there, grapple is next!
I like the way they tucked your loader hoses along the side of the arm, on mine they stick straight up.
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Thanks, just built it before I took the pic. I got to use it today, world of difference with that on there, grapple is next!
I like the way they tucked your loader hoses along the side of the arm, on mine they stick straight up.
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No prob with the definition Bob, I was in a hurry and only read the "over hood" part.
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<font color="red"> Bob, what is the difference between a vertical control and a horiz one? I know what vert and horiz are, but don't follow what you're saying. I've never seen a joy stick that was pulled up if thats what you mean by a vertical control.
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On the Kubota B2910 and other tractors with loader mounted levers, the loader lever stick is on a horizontal plane, make the arms go up or down, the operator pushes the lever up or down. This would be an example of a vertical operation because the operator moves his hand in a vertical plane. Now the realitiy is some tractor have the loader lever at an angle, so it is not a true vertical movement, but it would still basically be vertical.
On the John Deere 790, New Holland TC33 and TC35, the loader lever stick is poking up from the right fender. To make the arms of the loader go down, the operator pushes the lever forward. To lift the arms, the operator pulls the lever back. These would be examples of a horizontal operation becuase the operator moves his hand in a horizontal plane.
Varmintist I'm just trying to keep from confusing folks who might see yours described as 'unprotected' and not understand why. No problem, but as I have be accused of not being objective in the previous attempt at this thread, and as definitions have been called less than objective in this thread, it seems like I have to be extra careful with the explinations.
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On the Kubota B2910 and other tractors with loader mounted levers, the loader lever stick is on a horizontal plane, make the arms go up or down, the operator pushes the lever up or down. This would be an example of a vertical operation because the operator moves his hand in a vertical plane. Now the realitiy is some tractor have the loader lever at an angle, so it is not a true vertical movement, but it would still basically be vertical.
On the John Deere 790, New Holland TC33 and TC35, the loader lever stick is poking up from the right fender. To make the arms of the loader go down, the operator pushes the lever forward. To lift the arms, the operator pulls the lever back. These would be examples of a horizontal operation becuase the operator moves his hand in a horizontal plane.
Varmintist I'm just trying to keep from confusing folks who might see yours described as 'unprotected' and not understand why. No problem, but as I have be accused of not being objective in the previous attempt at this thread, and as definitions have been called less than objective in this thread, it seems like I have to be extra careful with the explinations.
