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Deerlope,

Have you measured how much actual height you need to get your tractor through your door with the ROPS up?

A 9foot overhead door will hang down a few inches below the top of the opening. If you have calculated that in, plus the height of the floor for an actual finished opening, then you'll be fine. Sometimes we forget both measurements and how much space we'll have when it's all said and done.


pemad,

From what I understand, the largest preasure treated wood to change over to the version is the 4x6's. All 2x's and under are the new version, but 6x6's and larger are the old formula. It's something about use, performance and how much was actually being burned and leaving arsnic in the ground.

The poles look lonely!!!!! They need some walls and a roof to make them happy. hahaha

Eddie
 
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Streamin, I bought the kit from DIY Pole Barns. Real good people to work with. Compared the cost locally from 84 lumber and other mom and pop lumber yards, the price they quoted me was reasonable. I am using steel for the outside and roof. I ordered the same colors as my house, so it should not be too bad looking.

After a day of work in the HOT sun we have all the poles set and the rim board started. I will finish up the week with installing the rest of the rim board and filling in the holes half way. My goal was to get the poles all set with this nice weather and I hit my target thanks to the help of my brother and my bother-in-law!

In the next couple of weeks I will set the truss carriers so I can get the boom truck to set the trusses. My friend has a boom truck he can borrow on the weekend to help me set the trusses at no charge :)! But that is a few weeks down the road. Here are some more pictures with all the poles up!
 

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Eddie:

With the low head clearance track that I will be using I will assure you that all the door will be horzional when open. I just had my garage doors redone by a commpany that knows what they are doing when insatlling doors. They are 8' footer and they did hang down 2 or 3 inches but not now.
 
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pemad said:
Streamin, I bought the kit from DIY Pole Barns. Real good people to work with. Compared the cost locally from 84 lumber and other mom and pop lumber yards, the price they quoted me was reasonable. I am using steel for the outside and roof. I ordered the same colors as my house, so it should not be too bad looking.
I will be building in Cattaraugus county, I don't know if the snow load is different there but not all that far from you.Do you have any pics of you raising the poles with your tractor? I expect to be a one man show for a lot of mine.
 
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streamin said:
I will be building in Cattaraugus county, I don't know if the snow load is different there but not all that far from you.Do you have any pics of you raising the poles with your tractor? I expect to be a one man show for a lot of mine.


Sorry, I was so busy trying to get the poles up I did not get a chance to take pictures. First one is a pain trying to figure it out! What I did was lay the pole in line with the hole, then drove up to the pole and picked it up with the bucket while my brother held it in place with a 6' pipe. I then lifted the bucket up as high as I could seting the bucket in an angle with the wood. I drove forward while my brother pushed the pole in the hole. Once I got about 4' from the hole I put a rachet strap around the pole so it would not go side to side. I then proceeded towards the hole and my brother worked the pole in place. Once the pole was semi stright we adujsted the pole by prying it with the pipe and adjusting the rachet strap so we could wiggle the pole around.

If you plan to do it by your self you will need to get off the tractor as you move forward and hit the pole with a sledge hammer as they do not slide into the hole because it hangs up on the dirt. You can do it by yourself but it is much easier if you could get a helper for the day. I hope this helps.

Ground Snow load in my area needs to be 60 psf. The zoning guy told me anything north of the thurway needs to meet this criteria.
 
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EddieWalker said:
Deerlope,

pemad,

From what I understand, the largest preasure treated wood to change over to the version is the 4x6's. All 2x's and under are the new version, but 6x6's and larger are the old formula. It's something about use, performance and how much was actually being burned and leaving arsnic in the ground.

The poles look lonely!!!!! They need some walls and a roof to make them happy. hahaha

Eddie

I purchased some 6x6x16 ACQ poles about a year and a half ago.
 
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I have a need for a new computer product, a "screen saver fly swatter!"
 
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streamin said:
I will be building in Cattaraugus county, I don't know if the snow load is different there but not all that far from you.Do you have any pics of you raising the poles with your tractor? I expect to be a one man show for a lot of mine.


There was another posting by SteelDust on his thread on how he lifted his 6x8x22' timbers using his tractor. I have been using the same technique in lifting mine and it's worked flawlessly. Biggest piece of advice is to go slow and steady when lifting post this large. Placing a 4 foot long 2x12 upright into the hole for the bottom end of the post to push against and then slid down along works great to prevent the post from digging into the side of the hole.

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/projects/110718-want-see-yet-another-pole.html

Jim H.
 
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Thanks, Jim.
That was the missing link, the 2x4 to let it slide right in....
 
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Quick update on progress.

I did not have a lot of energy on Sunday so I went to Home Depot and ordered my garage doors since they gave me a 10% discount and 12 months same as cash :)! I ended up finishing the skirt board and added one row of girts.

Today I just puttered around after work and pulled up the batter boards and removed the nails so no one gets hurt and worked on filling in the post holes. I also organized the lumber a little better so it is easy to access.

Here is a quick picture I took before the sun went down. As you can see I am going to bring in a little bit of fill. Want to bring the barn up to the height of my driveway so water does not run into it. This maybe over kill but I figure I am only going to do this once!

So far the barn tolerances are within +-1/4". I figure that could just be the wood girts.

Enjoy!
 

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Looks like progress, are you going to leave the floor dirt? I wonder if you may have issues with packing the dirt around the edges since the wood is already there?
 
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streamin said:
Thanks, Jim.
That was the missing link, the 2x4 to let it slide right in....


Streamin,

You stated "2x4" in your reply which might have been a typo. Just wanted to be sure you knew I've been using a 2x12 for the post to push up against and slid down into the hole. I'm sure a smaller stock would work (2x10, 2x8 or even a 2x6), but a 2x4 is probably too narrow.

Best of luck on your project...

Jim H.
 
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streamin said:
Looks like progress, are you going to leave the floor dirt? I wonder if you may have issues with packing the dirt around the edges since the wood is already there?

I shouldn't have any issues but you never know! I will bring in gravel for the floor and I have some mounds in the yard I will dig up and use around the parimeter of the building. Hopefully everything works out!
 
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Worked a little on the Polebarn this weekend. We had rain and it was a mud pit! Oh well, got some work done. Steel will be delivered tomorrow :)!

Here are som updated pics.
 

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It was a long day today. Did a little turkey hunting in the morning and only had a hen come in. Oh well maybe tomorrow morning if it does not rain!

Anyway I banged away on the pole barn this afternoon and finished the framing so my next task is to get my friend over with his boom truck and set the trusses. Hoping we can do it in the next couple of weeks. If not I will rent a pallet fork lift and set them my self. In the mean time I will trim out the garage doors and wrap the poles with ice and water sheild where they come out of the ground. I can also mark where the trusses go if I am really bored!

Here are some pictures of the current state.
 

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All,

I set 2 trusses yesterday and it is an adventure doing this by yourself :)! Lots of rop does the trick! Anyway, I was wondering if anyone had suggestion on the easiest way to set the purlinings on to the trusses? This is my first adventure doing a roof!

Hanging out 20 feet off the ground with a wobbely truss is not the funest feeling in the world. Now I see why insurance cost is high for construction workers!

I did not ask my friend to bring his boom truck over becasue I figured I would give it a try by myself first and I hate asking him to use his works equipment. All I need is for him to get in trouble.

FYI, I built a pulley system/boom to lift the trusses up out of 2x4's and it works fine but it is way to heavy for me to move around. So I just lift the truss upside down. Set the truss on to the truss supports and slide the truss in place. Then I pull the truss upright with a long rope tied to my tractor. It is a crude and slow system but seems to work if you are a one man construction crew.

Any suggetions on the best way to set the purlings would be greatly appreciated!



First picture is the setting of 2 trusses and the second one is a shot of my Boom pole/hoist I am using to lift the trusses up!

Any suggetions would be greatly appreciated!
 

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Your end truss should be fairly stable and where you need to start from.

All your purlins should start and stop on different trusses, or at least as often as possible. Depending on your spacing of trusses and length of your purlins. On four foot centers, I have mine hit the same truss every fourth purlin.

For the first purlin, you want it near the peak. You don't put them at the very peak since your metal roof is always a few inches short of the peak and your metal caps overlap your metal roof panels. The top purlin needs to be about six inches from the peak so that you can screw both the panel and the peak into the purlin, and still have space for your vents.

Are you installing peak vents?

Measure the inside distance between the two trusses. Use this number and mark two purlins for each side. Mark each purlin 3/4 of an inch from the end and then mark one at that distance. On the next purlin, make another mark at 1 1/2 inches and another at the distance your third truss will be.

Will you have an overhang on your roof? A soffit of any kind, or will the roof end flush? Depending on how far out you want your purlins to exend past the wall, or if they will be flush, that is the length of your purlin. From the end of the wall, to the middle of the truss.

The first purlin will be short. If flush with the wall, then the length of the space between the purlins plus 1 1/2 inches for the first truss and 3/4 of an inch for the second truss is how long to cut it.

The next purlin will be the length of the distance between the two trusses, 1 1/2 inches twice and 3/4 of an inch for half a truss.

Measure up your trusses to where you want your purlins. At the highst place on your truss, attach the short one to the outside truss first. Since your outside truss if plumb, the pulin will line up and hold the second truss plumb when it's exactly the same distance from the first one. The marks on your purlin will show you where that is. Just nail or screw them together.

This will hold it in place, but it will still have allot of wobble to it.

The next purlin should go on before the third truss is installed. Attach it to the two trusses in place. The purlin will hang out to where the third truss will be located. This should make setting the trusses a little easier too. Maybe. LOL

The third truss will make the other two more steady and it will just keep getting better as you progress and attach more purlins to the roof.

With all the purlins in place, the roof will still seem bouncy and have allot of sway to it. The metal will lock it all into place once it's installed.

To increase the strength of your trusses and stiffen them up a little more, add prulins to the tops of the bottom chords the full lenght of your barn. Two of them evenly spaced will do the job and make a huge difference. This is required in some areas, yet I've seen some barns where it's not done.

If you will have the trusses in position for awhile before installing the roofing metal, then temporary diagnal bracing should be used on top of the purlins. This will stiffen it up considerably. You can also put diagnal bracing under your top chords, but it's not needed once the metal is in place. It will make the roof stronger, but not so much more then the metal will accomplish when it's installed. Some manufactures recomend it, others don't.

While working alone, I like to use lots of temporary bracing and jigs. For fliping trusses, I'd put in stop blocks along both walls with screws so that I can easily remove them and install them again.

You're doing a great job, thanks for the updates,
Eddie
 
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Eddie,

Thank you for taking the time to write up that good info.

The end truss is nailed to the post and are very tight. I am going to set the other end in a few minutes and then work on the middle trusses. I am going to do what you recommended by running purlins beyond the truss so that the next one is easier. The first 2 trusses I set yesterday I forgot to mark where the purlings should go. I will mark all my tusses prior to setting them so I am not messing around trying to figure out there the purlins go. I will also mark the purlins like you said.

Again, thanks for all the good input, now lets see If I can put your suggestions to reality!!! :)

I will post my progress later this evening!
 
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Unfortunetly today I had very little progress as we had 15 to 25 mph winds and trying to set trusses is not safe when working by yourself with winds that high. I did get the opposite gable truss set prior to the high winds kicking up but that was it. I will try again next weekend if it is nice out and post my progress at that time!
 

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