ddl
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Everytime I try to open a thread with mybe 20 replies it hangs up and the banners will not even load. What could be the problem?
Dan L
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Problems loading threads with lots of comments??
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What's your browser, connection speed, operating system, etc?
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Not sure about Netscape, but in IE, under Tools | Internet Options... | Advanced there is an option under Multimedia that says Show Image Download Placeholders. I believe if you check that, then the image placeholders (borders) will be drawn along with all of the text first. This way you should be able to read the text, without having to wait for the image(s) to be downloaded first.
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Dan -
I use Netscape also, and I admit I've seen more pages that need to be reloaded multiple times before it succeeds. But I know that Netscape has a gawdawful way of loading pages one object at a time. It opens and closes its server connection for each one, and if any one of these "mini-sessions" fails for whatever reason, the browser may never get around to rendering the whole page. /w3tcompact/icons/tongue.gif
If all of the information comes off the same server (and near as I can tell it does), it's hard to say why it's happening more now than it was before. I've been taking a close look at pages that hang, and I haven't seen any correlation between the hanging phenomenon and foreign (non-TBN) images, like some signatures, or anything else that I can put my finger on.
At any rate, I doubt there's anything faulty at the TBN end, since all pages will eventually load if you keep retrying.
I use Netscape also, and I admit I've seen more pages that need to be reloaded multiple times before it succeeds. But I know that Netscape has a gawdawful way of loading pages one object at a time. It opens and closes its server connection for each one, and if any one of these "mini-sessions" fails for whatever reason, the browser may never get around to rendering the whole page. /w3tcompact/icons/tongue.gif
If all of the information comes off the same server (and near as I can tell it does), it's hard to say why it's happening more now than it was before. I've been taking a close look at pages that hang, and I haven't seen any correlation between the hanging phenomenon and foreign (non-TBN) images, like some signatures, or anything else that I can put my finger on.
At any rate, I doubt there's anything faulty at the TBN end, since all pages will eventually load if you keep retrying.
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Okay, I just had a new observation which may render my previous one useless (like so many of my posts
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I just hit another hanging page, so I let it spin its wheels for what should have been "long enough" and then I hit the Stop button and looked the source. It turns out the entire page had been downloaded, but it was busy doing something (I think running some javascript) which was preventing rendering from taking place.
Now I can't figure what script might work sometimes and not others. /w3tcompact/icons/tongue.gif
Netscape is an adventure all its own.
I just hit another hanging page, so I let it spin its wheels for what should have been "long enough" and then I hit the Stop button and looked the source. It turns out the entire page had been downloaded, but it was busy doing something (I think running some javascript) which was preventing rendering from taking place.
Now I can't figure what script might work sometimes and not others. /w3tcompact/icons/tongue.gif
Netscape is an adventure all its own.
Re: Problems loading threads with lots of comments
I think it has to do with the banners loading used on the pages for adver. and such. I also think the new feature of loading the page at the new replies, is holding up loading, esp. if the thread has lots of relies, such as over 20.
If every one who designed web pages or installed networks had the oldest and slowest equipment when they design or set up the network and get to work on that, it would work like a charm on the new and faster machines. Oh Well.
Dan L
I think it has to do with the banners loading used on the pages for adver. and such. I also think the new feature of loading the page at the new replies, is holding up loading, esp. if the thread has lots of relies, such as over 20.
If every one who designed web pages or installed networks had the oldest and slowest equipment when they design or set up the network and get to work on that, it would work like a charm on the new and faster machines. Oh Well.
Dan L
Don_Curley
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I have the same problem. In addition to everything moving slower in general on the new TBN site, I many times have to reload a page more than once to actually view the page. I run Netscape 4.76 on a PowerMac G3 with a Global Village 56K modem. As has been previously indicated, I believe Netscape is the primary culprit in this regard.
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Re: Problems loading threads with lots of comments
<font color=blue>I think it has to do with the banners loading</font color=blue>
That was one of my first thoughts, but I convinced myself that that was not the problem I've been seeing. For one thing, on many of the hanging pages I examined, the banners were coming off the same server that all of the other picts reside on, and even the animated banners consist of surprisingly small files.
I'm using DSL, and TBN seems to be plenty responsive. Near as I can tell, the downloads are happening quickly enough (don't always believe the status bar when it says it's still downloading), but something happens afterwards that throws Netscape into a tizzy before it can fully draw the page.
You wouldn't believe the number of simple things that can confuse Netscape, but whatever it is this time, it eventually works if you keep retrying. That's what puzzles me.
Then again, you wouldn't believe the number of things that can confuse Harv ...
<font color=blue>I think it has to do with the banners loading</font color=blue>
That was one of my first thoughts, but I convinced myself that that was not the problem I've been seeing. For one thing, on many of the hanging pages I examined, the banners were coming off the same server that all of the other picts reside on, and even the animated banners consist of surprisingly small files.
I'm using DSL, and TBN seems to be plenty responsive. Near as I can tell, the downloads are happening quickly enough (don't always believe the status bar when it says it's still downloading), but something happens afterwards that throws Netscape into a tizzy before it can fully draw the page.
You wouldn't believe the number of simple things that can confuse Netscape, but whatever it is this time, it eventually works if you keep retrying. That's what puzzles me.
Then again, you wouldn't believe the number of things that can confuse Harv ...
Don_Curley
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Re: Problems loading threads with lots of comments
I have threatened it before, but I think I need to make a switch from Netscape to IE before too long, as I have noticed other (and similar) problems with different sites as well. It's really getting old.
Don
I have threatened it before, but I think I need to make a switch from Netscape to IE before too long, as I have noticed other (and similar) problems with different sites as well. It's really getting old.
Don
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Re: Problems loading threads with lots of comments
Don -
I'm using PowerMacs, too, and it's been my experience that at least the older (4.xx) versions of IE for the Mac are even worse than Netscape. /w3tcompact/icons/tongue.gif
Assuming you're gonna download the latest version, whatever that is now, let me know how it works out.
Don -
I'm using PowerMacs, too, and it's been my experience that at least the older (4.xx) versions of IE for the Mac are even worse than Netscape. /w3tcompact/icons/tongue.gif
Assuming you're gonna download the latest version, whatever that is now, let me know how it works out.
Re: Problems loading threads with lots of comments
I have IE also and have the same problem with long threads. I still think it is because of two factors. The first problem the tag that loads the thread to the newest replies. The second is all the banners being used by this site to make money. I understand that is the purpose of this site but if the banners were limited to the home page and the other pages would load faster. The only thing that could be worst is the pop up banners, if this site starts using them, I will find a new site to read.
Dan L
I have IE also and have the same problem with long threads. I still think it is because of two factors. The first problem the tag that loads the thread to the newest replies. The second is all the banners being used by this site to make money. I understand that is the purpose of this site but if the banners were limited to the home page and the other pages would load faster. The only thing that could be worst is the pop up banners, if this site starts using them, I will find a new site to read.
Dan L
Are you loading the all pages view of the threads, or clicking the link and letting the system take you to the most recent message?
We test on a variety of platforms and connection speeds, and while we know there will be a certain number of issues with vieweing in netscape, we haven't been able to duplicate this one in IE.
We test on a variety of platforms and connection speeds, and while we know there will be a certain number of issues with vieweing in netscape, we haven't been able to duplicate this one in IE.
I guess I don't really know what you are saying. When I enter a group like attachments and see link called tillers as example, then i click on that and wait for the actual replies to post then read them.
I was having the problem with netscape and tried IE and had the same problem and that is taking for ever to load or not loading. One example is it will sit and in the tool bar say tring to load banner withthe name of your sever I believe it must time out then I get blank screen and done in the toolbar. When I click on the back button, the page will load or just the outline will and i will return to the list of threads for lack of a better term. Sometimes I get the same action and if I reclick the thread and wait it will load. It just seems to do this if the replies are over 20 or pictures are inserted into the replies instead of being attached.
By the way I think you do an excellant job with this site, thank You
Dan L
I was having the problem with netscape and tried IE and had the same problem and that is taking for ever to load or not loading. One example is it will sit and in the tool bar say tring to load banner withthe name of your sever I believe it must time out then I get blank screen and done in the toolbar. When I click on the back button, the page will load or just the outline will and i will return to the list of threads for lack of a better term. Sometimes I get the same action and if I reclick the thread and wait it will load. It just seems to do this if the replies are over 20 or pictures are inserted into the replies instead of being attached.
By the way I think you do an excellant job with this site, thank You
Dan L
I just tried it on IE at school where we have T1 lines and it worked great. It must be a time out issue at home where I am on a modem at 50K most of the time. IE at home did not work like this at school either. So maybe i just have to live with the non ability to read long threads or replies with in line pictures.
Dan L
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TerryinMD
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The most I get out of my modem at home is 28.8 kbps and I use IE. That's slow in my book. On long threads, it may take a minute or so for the page to load, but I never get any timeouts. At work we have 100MBs to the desktop and VERY big pipes coming into the facility. Upon occassion, a page may take 10 or so seconds to load - usually during the middle of the day when our Intranet is its busiest.
There may be some other factors involved with you home machine - CPU speed, RAM, data bus speed, etc. These all factor into the equation.
Terry
There may be some other factors involved with you home machine - CPU speed, RAM, data bus speed, etc. These all factor into the equation.
Terry
TerryinMD
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ddl,
It took me a long time to switch over to IE. It's been about 3 or so years. Prior to that it was either Mosaic or Netscape. Can't remember the particular version numbers, but around 98 or early 99 I moved over to the IE and will probably never go back. Netscape has lost it's edge and has not been good at supporting the newer technologies very well. Hmmm... maybe it's when Netscape was bought out by AOL (booo.... hisss.... yucky - oh forgive me, not an AOL fan). Never tried Opera so I can't comment.
Terry
It took me a long time to switch over to IE. It's been about 3 or so years. Prior to that it was either Mosaic or Netscape. Can't remember the particular version numbers, but around 98 or early 99 I moved over to the IE and will probably never go back. Netscape has lost it's edge and has not been good at supporting the newer technologies very well. Hmmm... maybe it's when Netscape was bought out by AOL (booo.... hisss.... yucky - oh forgive me, not an AOL fan). Never tried Opera so I can't comment.
Terry
I used to be a die hard Netscape fan but I switched over to IE a couple of years ago simply because it was substantially faster. I have tried Netscape a couple of different times since then but I haven't switched back.
I am using IE6 with a dial up connection (33.6K is all I can connect at) and everything on this site works well. Both before and after the recent changes.
BTW, I really like the new setup.
That reminds me...I need to call for a cable modem before 5:00pm today when their latest promotion ends.
I am using IE6 with a dial up connection (33.6K is all I can connect at) and everything on this site works well. Both before and after the recent changes.
BTW, I really like the new setup.
That reminds me...I need to call for a cable modem before 5:00pm today when their latest promotion ends.
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