Punks trespass, property damage, cops want help getting abandoned jeep, need advice

   / Punks trespass, property damage, cops want help getting abandoned jeep, need advice #41  
They make these cool sighs " No Tresspassing . Plus Get yourself a post driver , and drive posts around the jeep every 12 inches or so . or go out with a loader and pile dirt up all around the jeep so they cant possibly drive it out .

I will bet you that the guys were young , they have parents , Get all the money for the damages in cash .
 
   / Punks trespass, property damage, cops want help getting abandoned jeep, need advice #42  
Was the Jeep possibly stolen?
 
   / Punks trespass, property damage, cops want help getting abandoned jeep, need advice
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#43  
The guy bought the jeep 2 weeks ago.

The property was already posted for no trespassing.

Mom followed the tracks leading up to their property and found some beer cans.
 
   / Punks trespass, property damage, cops want help getting abandoned jeep, need advice #44  
Well, I know my homeowners liability insurance DOES NOT cover such stuff - using my tractor to drag a vehicle to a public road. I would seek local legal advice.
 
   / Punks trespass, property damage, cops want help getting abandoned jeep, need advice #45  
it now belongs to your folks...until the punks pay for all damage.
 
   / Punks trespass, property damage, cops want help getting abandoned jeep, need advice #46  
Have you tried to estimate damage yet, as well as the cost to recover the Jeep? Might be a good idea to do so. It would guide you as you consider how much legal work to invest in. Me, I would talk to a lawyer about getting the damage as well as legal fees covered by offender and his insurance company.
 
   / Punks trespass, property damage, cops want help getting abandoned jeep, need advice #47  
I also would not be in a hurry to get it close to public roads to be towed / impounded. Likely the board member with 100 acres wants to impound it for his damage.
 
   / Punks trespass, property damage, cops want help getting abandoned jeep, need advice #48  
We filed an abandoned vehicle claim with the motor vehicle department and eventually got title...
 
   / Punks trespass, property damage, cops want help getting abandoned jeep, need advice #49  
ANY comments and advice is welcome.

We've had two people drive through our property, so I am very familiar with this situation, at least in PA.

In each case, they;

1. Left the road
2. Drove through first fence
3. Across pasture
4. Through second fence
5. Across our back yard.
6. Through third fence
7. Across second pasture
8. Through fourth fence.
9. Hit horse trailer(s)
10. Pushed horse trailer(s) into barn.

in the first situation, the guy claimed he was trying to avoid a deer. He came within inches of being decapitated by the post on our GN trailer. Neither he nor his girlfriend were hurt. They walked away.

In the second situation, the driver had a medical emergency. He was actually driving home from the hospital where they told him they could't find anything wrong with him. He was unconscious when the EMTs arrived.

The total distance from where they left the road to where they hit the horse trailer was close to 500 yards.

First guy had Progressive, the second had State Farm.

I took plenty of pictures of the damage they did.

I hired someone to fix the barn damage. They also re-did the fence posts. I could have redid the posts, but didn't. Since I use HorseGuard Fencing, I strung new tape. The contractor who fixed the barn and redid the fencing submitted an estimate to me which I sent to the driver's insurance company.

I made a list of all the supplies I needed to fix the fences AND the yard, e.g., topsoil, grass seed, etc. I got prices from HorseGuard Fencing and Lowes websites, including the 6% PA sales tax. I also guessed at how many hours all this work would take and paid my self $40/hour (this was several years ago). I submitted this (material, hours and tax) to the insurance company in a PDF created from a spreadsheet in which I documented everything, e.g., date, description, cost, etc.. They didn't blink an eye or ask for receipts. They sent me a check for my time and materials plus the contractors estimate. I think they knew a contractor would charge A LOT more than I did. I paid the contractor.

For the horse trailers, I found three sites on the Internet and got prices for the year and model trailers we had. They paid me the middle price. The prices were all close.

I called 911 when each event occurred. The same people and equipment arrived on scene as for a traffic accident. Fire, police (state) and EMTs. Many who were at the first accident, were also at the second. The police called the tow truck operator. They hauled the car away. The insurance companies paid to have the horse trailers (GN in the first accident, 2 BP (yes 2) in the second) moved so we could use the driveway at the barn. When their adjuster determined it they were totaled, they paid to haul them away.

Personally, I'd make getting the Jeep out of your property the problem of the driver's insurance company. But I'd make it plain you want it removed while the ground is frozen, to minimize further damage to your property. I would not use my equipment to move anything.

We did not contact a lawyer, nor did I play any games with the vehicles or people. Even though your situation appears to deliberate damage, I'd still try and work through the driver's insurance company. If he doesn't have coverage, your homeowners insurance should cover it. Frankly, I'd keep the lawyers out it, if possible.

We, and the drivers, were very lucky the injuries were minor and it was just property damage. As I mentioned, the first people could have been decapitated. The horses could have been hit, in the pasture or the barn.

I's also notify YOUR homeowners insurance so they know what is going on and in the event they have to get involved.

Feel free to PM if you have questions. If it'd help, we could also talk.
 
   / Punks trespass, property damage, cops want help getting abandoned jeep, need advice #50  
i wouldn't touch the jeep. i can't imagine the number of things that i would want to be explicitly indemnified against before doing that.

i would make certain that the property is posted for trespassing, put a few trail cams in the area covering the vehicle and any likely ingress/egress routes, and immediately report any trespassers that take interest in the thing.

in the meanwhile, document EVERYTHING with plenty of photos and text and get working with the jeep owner's insurer (if he has one) to retrieve the jeep and recover for your losses. i don't see a reason to get any lawyers involved yet, provided that the vehicle is insured and the company is helpful. why get into a suit with them? if the insurer denies liablity, well that's another story all together - and unfortunately completely possible. in that case you'll probably have to file a suit against the driver personally to attempt to recover for damages.

please keep us updated. interesting story.


one of my neighbors has a 1000 (?) gallon propane tank in his woods that floated there from another neighbor's lot when the lot flooded and the tank broke loose. property owner denied the tank owner access to retrieve the tank and tank is still out there - probably been 3 or 4 years.
 
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