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   / READY TO BURN THIS THING TO THE GROUND!!! #31  
These are tools, use them the way they are supposed to be used and they perform the way they are supposed too. We can whine and complain about new equipment till the cows come home, it ain't going to change the fact that they are not my Grandpa's tractor any more.

The alternative is to buy something from the 80's, rebuild it and use it instead.
 
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82* yesterday and into limp mode again. Let it sit for nearly an hour as i didn't want to slip the clutch in at 1,700 RPM, (Rpm limited by computer) and it eventually completed a regen BUT it's starting the same way it was doing this winter. If LS can't fix this thing the DPF is going away 1 way or another. Their telling me they have VERY few gear drive tractors, Most are hydros.....
 
   / READY TO BURN THIS THING TO THE GROUND!!! #33  
with the new DPF stuff maybe someone should convince these diesel programmers that do all the trucks to do something for the tractor market... a delete kit with programmer so no codes or limp mode and no more issiues! maybe someone has already come up with something?
 
   / READY TO BURN THIS THING TO THE GROUND!!! #34  
82* yesterday and into limp mode again. Let it sit for nearly an hour as i didn't want to slip the clutch in at 1,700 RPM, (Rpm limited by computer) and it eventually completed a regen BUT it's starting the same way it was doing this winter. If LS can't fix this thing the DPF is going away 1 way or another. Their telling me they have VERY few gear drive tractors, Most are hydros.....

Your tractor is either a boomer 37 or workmaster 37 New Holland I believe. If you have a New Holland dealer around they may be able to give you some feedback as to wether or not they have had similar problems with there tractors, as LS builds the tractors for NEW Holland. Granted you have to go to LS for warranty work New Holland tends to have bigger dealer networks and more of them. There is a dealer that advertises on here named Messicks, they handle New Holland and are great to deal with, maybe they can tell you if they have had problems with above mentioned models.
 
   / READY TO BURN THIS THING TO THE GROUND!!! #35  
This thread is exactly the reason I was looking hard at a Branson instead of LS, though I like the LS better, and I understand the 31 and 41 series tractors have all the regen bugs worked out. The Branson meets T4 with an overlay emissions system on a mechanical engine. Easy enough to gut the DPF (Actually, I think it's a DOC) if it has issues and never look back.

Yup, I'd be "killing the environment", but for the tiny improvement in emissions that they got from T4 in these CUT's, I just don't think the cost/benefit ratio works out. Instead, I lucked into my 2003 MF1455. No emissions, no problem. :)

(climbing onto soapbox)
Actually, on a global scale, maritime transport causes something like 99% of the "harmful" diesel emissions. (NOx and Sulfer dioxide). So the EPA passed regulations to clean up trucks and CUT's and in the end, even if we made them zero emissions, we only "fixed" one percent of the problem, globally. This is the definition of feel good legislation, just like our CARB gas cans that cause so much spillage that any benefit of them being sealed is negated.
(climbing down...)

OP: As for what to do with your tractor, I think the guys are right... You're going to have to start running it at constant high rpm's, especially when it's cold. Setting the hand throttle low and running it up and down all the time with the foot feed keeps the exhaust from getting warm enough, and generates smoke, which plugs the DPF quickly.

If you're using the correct gears, there will probably be minimal additional clutch wear, even though it seems otherwise. Clutches last a long time if you're not riding them too much...
 
   / READY TO BURN THIS THING TO THE GROUND!!! #36  
I dpf deleted and turboed my XR4040. Best thing ive done to it yet. Goes twice the amount of time on a tank of fuel and runs how I want it to and when I want it to!
 
   / READY TO BURN THIS THING TO THE GROUND!!! #37  
I dpf deleted and turboed my XR4040. Best thing ive done to it yet. Goes twice the amount of time on a tank of fuel and runs how I want it to and when I want it to!

Very interesting, many people are scared to "play" with a new piece of equipment do to fear of voiding the warranty. Just curious, what all did you end up having to do for the delete and get the turbo working? I see the engine on the xr30xx-40xx series is not CRDI which would make me think it is mechanically injected. This would make removing the emissions crap pretty simple, as long as the owner is willing to deal with lights flashing on the dash. And a turbo would only require more fuel to be effective, again doable with a mechanical injection
 
   / READY TO BURN THIS THING TO THE GROUND!!! #38  
Haha I know. I'm a diesel mechanic and own a performance/repair shop so I'm always willing to sacrifice a part of warranty for reliability and performance. It was a bit of a process. Originally I tried to get it to run free of codes by keeping all the sensors plugged in and this proved to be difficult as I believe the ECU has a timer in it and will either try to do a regen or run a system function test even though the pressure sensor isn't detecting a wide differential. So to plan B it went. The fuel shutoff solonoid doubles as the throttle control as well, so I played around and tried to get voltages to correspond directly from the throttle position sensor to the solonoid by eliminating passing through the ECU but it didn't work as planned. I ended up running a keyed 12v power source from the ignition to the fuel shutoff solonoid just so the engine would start and shut off when I wanted it to vs the ECU. As for throttle control; the mechanical injection pump has a mechanical linkage on it already that can and does function as the throttle on other applications. So I simply got a custom throttle cable made up and bolted a linkage onto the existing throttle mechanism in the cab and that took care of that problem. Onto the turbo; this engine is basically the exact same as what comes in a Cat 247 Skidsteer minus the turbo and couple minor differences. I ordered the exact same turbo that's on the machine and made my own piping and lines to make it all work. I've been running it like this for 2 years now and love it. Even without turning up the fuel rate there is still a significant power increase. When I would drive from my shop to my home there is a decent sized hill on the road. Prior to the turbo I would have to back way out of the hydrostatic just to keep the engine from pulling right down and almost stalling. After the turbo I could hold the hydros to the rug all the way up and only drop about 300rpm. I'm actually in the process of disabling the dpf warning lights as we speak haha. I will take some pictures!
 
   / READY TO BURN THIS THING TO THE GROUND!!! #39  
from a quick google search I think you are close to 3000 ft (900 or so meters) elevation? the HP gain with out turning up the fuel would probably be the engine just running at sea level (maybe slightly better). Im at roughly 3800 ft and thought about putting the td015 twin scroll turbo on my little s3l2 engine just to get it to listed specs... but I have yet to have a lack of power issue for the things ive been doing with it and cant justify the cost... yet
 
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Redlinecummins--great post.
 

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