I currently have a Cub Cadet 2206? It does a good job. I have been kicking around the idea of getting rid of the Cub Cadet and getting a rear discharge finish mower. How good of a job do rear discharge finish mowers do? Do they stripe the yard nicely? What are the pros and cons of have a rear discharge finish mower over a riding mower? I know it would be one less machine to maintain but it would be larger to maneuver.
Rear discharge finish mower
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nikdfish
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I use a Caroni 59" rear discharge behind our 3038e when mowing at the mother-in-law's place. I'm not sure about the "stripe" thing, since I haven't noticed that effect it probably doesn't.
The quality of the cut is at least as good as was done by the 48" deck riding mower used previously, and at higher travel speeds. This is most noticeable where the grass is thickest/longest. The PTO powered blades have the advantage. Where you'd have to cut twice or move at a crawl with a riding mower, the PTO finish mower handles it without a change in speed.
The down side to pulling a finish mower is in regards to trimming around things like plantings, trees or things with irregular outlines. The mower deck is positioned behind the rear wheel turn point, so it will not track on top of the inside tire's path when turning sharply the way a belly mower does. With a rear mower there would be a noticeable space between the inside tire track & the mower track for the duration of the turn.
The only way to offset that is doing some cutting in reverse, which puts the mower track to the inside of the tire track during a sharp turn. For straight lines, gentle turns, and open areas it is not an issue, just when you are running your tire right beside items. Things might be different with a mower wider than your tractor width, but that could add additional, different, navigation issues.
The other consideration is the potential for a rigid top link connection to limit the degree of "float" available to the mower when traversing a sharp hump or dip. This limitation could result in either the lead or trailing wheels being cantilevered off the ground enough for a patch of irregular cut length. This potential limitation can be reduced by using a more flexible top link connection - such as using a length of chain in the connection - if needed.
The only other thing that comes to mind is the form factor of tractor + mower. It is probably significantly taller than a riding mower, which might limit where you can go. Also, the combined length of tractor + mower (especially if you have a loader mounted) might limit those areas where you can turn around, or back into.
Having said that, it is still the fastest way to cut her yard. We used to spend 6 - 8 hours (depending on grass height) mowing using a riding mower with a 48" deck. The 59" Caroni behind the 3038e gets it done in 2 - 3 hours, which is quicker than the times when we would use 2 riding mowers simultaneously. Even with the trimming hassles.
Nick
The quality of the cut is at least as good as was done by the 48" deck riding mower used previously, and at higher travel speeds. This is most noticeable where the grass is thickest/longest. The PTO powered blades have the advantage. Where you'd have to cut twice or move at a crawl with a riding mower, the PTO finish mower handles it without a change in speed.
The down side to pulling a finish mower is in regards to trimming around things like plantings, trees or things with irregular outlines. The mower deck is positioned behind the rear wheel turn point, so it will not track on top of the inside tire's path when turning sharply the way a belly mower does. With a rear mower there would be a noticeable space between the inside tire track & the mower track for the duration of the turn.
The only way to offset that is doing some cutting in reverse, which puts the mower track to the inside of the tire track during a sharp turn. For straight lines, gentle turns, and open areas it is not an issue, just when you are running your tire right beside items. Things might be different with a mower wider than your tractor width, but that could add additional, different, navigation issues.
The other consideration is the potential for a rigid top link connection to limit the degree of "float" available to the mower when traversing a sharp hump or dip. This limitation could result in either the lead or trailing wheels being cantilevered off the ground enough for a patch of irregular cut length. This potential limitation can be reduced by using a more flexible top link connection - such as using a length of chain in the connection - if needed.
The only other thing that comes to mind is the form factor of tractor + mower. It is probably significantly taller than a riding mower, which might limit where you can go. Also, the combined length of tractor + mower (especially if you have a loader mounted) might limit those areas where you can turn around, or back into.
Having said that, it is still the fastest way to cut her yard. We used to spend 6 - 8 hours (depending on grass height) mowing using a riding mower with a 48" deck. The 59" Caroni behind the 3038e gets it done in 2 - 3 hours, which is quicker than the times when we would use 2 riding mowers simultaneously. Even with the trimming hassles.
Nick
scrappy isb67
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I agree with most of the above, the only comment is to the above about the "float" is it depends on the mower. Some allow for this, and some don't, the Frontier(Woods) RFM I have has pivoting links for the lower links that allow it to float perpendicular to direction of travel and since it uses chains for the top link it floats fore-and-aft pretty well.
the only thing I can add it that if you have hilly/steep areas to mow, a RFM can make things interesting. the mower actually causes the rearend to slide or drift down the bank somewhat and the tractor ends up "crabbing" across the hill
At least in my experience with mine.
DK35vince
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I use an 84" First Choice rear discharge.
It has all the pivoting links you need for floating and it mows real nice.
I don't do striping.
It has all the pivoting links you need for floating and it mows real nice.
I don't do striping.
frogforge
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Hello All,
Long time lurker, first post: I can't add much to the riding mower vs rear mower discussion, but thought I'd make a couple of observations on side discharge vs rear discharge mowers - until it totally rusted away we used a Woods side discharge 6' mower on approx. 5 acres of rough "lawn." The second mower we bought was a 6' Woods rear discharge. For our particular situation, I regret the day we purchased the rear discharge for one main reason: with the side discharge you could sweep the clippings to the edge by mowing in the same direction or push debris up against tree trunks as mulch. With the rear discharge the clippings are left behind, and if the grass is allowed to get too tall, you leave an unsightly trail and inadvertently mulch the grass (not good).
Sorry for the long-winded first post. Take care, all,
David on the Edge of America in coastal SC
Long time lurker, first post: I can't add much to the riding mower vs rear mower discussion, but thought I'd make a couple of observations on side discharge vs rear discharge mowers - until it totally rusted away we used a Woods side discharge 6' mower on approx. 5 acres of rough "lawn." The second mower we bought was a 6' Woods rear discharge. For our particular situation, I regret the day we purchased the rear discharge for one main reason: with the side discharge you could sweep the clippings to the edge by mowing in the same direction or push debris up against tree trunks as mulch. With the rear discharge the clippings are left behind, and if the grass is allowed to get too tall, you leave an unsightly trail and inadvertently mulch the grass (not good).
Sorry for the long-winded first post. Take care, all,
David on the Edge of America in coastal SC
If you don't let the grass get tall does side discharge do a good job? Does it stripe the yard nicely?
lizardman
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I use a Caroni 71" rear discharge RFM, and it stripes very nicely.
It has no "float", but the top link is not fixed. It allows some flex to the deck.
It has been used on very flat, completely open land for 10+ years. Other than the paint weathering, the deck is in pristine condition.
Rod
It has no "float", but the top link is not fixed. It allows some flex to the deck.
It has been used on very flat, completely open land for 10+ years. Other than the paint weathering, the deck is in pristine condition.
Rod
bp fick
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I have a Phoenix/First Choice/Sicma, rear discharge. I briefly had a side discharge and I much, much prefer the rear discharge for fine distribution of the clippings. Everyone has difference preferences.
The cut is really quite incredible. Yes, it floats.
The cut is really quite incredible. Yes, it floats.
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Depending on your tractor, taking the FEL off may mean you'll need front counter weights. Again depends on your application.
As for striping, you may not like the results as I get four wheel mark for the mower as the front and rear wheel don't line up with each other(not sure why:anyone
. Than I also get two more marks from the tractor. You may be able to make or purchase an actual striping kit which would solve the issue. Also likely your tractor is heavier than your riding mower. My mower is Buhler/Farmking rear discharge(floating).
Although I see the point about pushing the clippings off to one side may be nice, I don't dislike the rear discharge.
As for striping, you may not like the results as I get four wheel mark for the mower as the front and rear wheel don't line up with each other(not sure why:anyone
. Than I also get two more marks from the tractor. You may be able to make or purchase an actual striping kit which would solve the issue. Also likely your tractor is heavier than your riding mower. My mower is Buhler/Farmking rear discharge(floating). Although I see the point about pushing the clippings off to one side may be nice, I don't dislike the rear discharge.
Depending on your tractor, taking the FEL off may mean you'll need front counter weights. Again depends on your application.
As for striping, you may not like the results as I get four wheel mark for the mower as the front and rear wheel don't line up with each other(not sure why:anyone
Although I see the point about pushing the clippings off to one side may be nice, I don't dislike the rear discharge.
I was wondering if may need a counter weight. If I get one I will try to make sure the wheels on the mower line up with each other. Right now I only have a small nibble on the cub cadet.
5picker
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I have had a Woods 72" rear discharge finish mower for the last 5 years and it is one of the best mowing machines I have ever owned. It has the 'floating' attachments on the 3PH and it follows the contour to a tee. Others have commented on some of the things to watch for such a 'crabbing' on a hillside (I find using 4X4 helps a lot) and the wider swing radius but once you get used to it you'll find you can mow within 6" of the base of a tree without a hitch.
There are lots of discussions on rear-vs-side discharge and each has their advantages & disadvantages. No... you can't easily blow the clippings off to one side of the mowing area with a RD but if there is a certain area where you really need to accomplish this, it can be done by mowing in reverse as mine will blow the clippings pretty well off to one side going backwards.
But... if you are using a finish mower... the grass should never really get that high anyway... that's why it a FINISH mower. If you want to mow a grown field buy a brush-hog or a sickle mower. Oh, and BTW... mine stripes nicely.
Just my 2｢... YMMV.
There are lots of discussions on rear-vs-side discharge and each has their advantages & disadvantages. No... you can't easily blow the clippings off to one side of the mowing area with a RD but if there is a certain area where you really need to accomplish this, it can be done by mowing in reverse as mine will blow the clippings pretty well off to one side going backwards.
But... if you are using a finish mower... the grass should never really get that high anyway... that's why it a FINISH mower. If you want to mow a grown field buy a brush-hog or a sickle mower. Oh, and BTW... mine stripes nicely.
Just my 2｢... YMMV.
leonz
Super Member
There is no reason you cannot use a Caroni Flail Mower for
this mowing and it has rear discharge and stripes automatically
with a built in full width rear roller at no extra charge.
EDIT: The Caroni flail mower will handle the long grass easily as well.
if you do not have loaded tires you need to think about suitcase
weights if they offer them,
leonz
Super Member
In one word YES.
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Once you go flail you never go back:thumbsup::licking::drool:
Pronovost or not at all!!!:thumbsup::licking::drool:
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I used a RFM on a B7800 that I owned a few years ago. It was a cheap Red mowing deck. I have a hillside sort of rough yard, not a lawn. It kept breaking. I talked to my dealer Steve Barlow about the bad cheap deck. After having used it for a year or more he told me he would give me what I paid for it toward a Landpride. I took him up on the deal and got a 6' Landpride which was built like a tank and you could see every weld, unlike the Pretty slick finished Red one I first owned. Unless you have smooth level lawn don't buy a cheap light weight mowing deck. Don't think I would even if I had a smooth level lawn. I've found out that weight makes a difference in implements, go heavy.:thumbsup:
When I'd get to the bottom of my hill and make my turn the Landpride would sort of swing my tractor around which was OK, after the first time doing it, since I needed to turn anyway. The pretty cheap junky Red one didn't have enough weight to affect the tractor.
I preferred the rear discharge deck since it laid the cut grass down evenly on the ground instead of in rows like a side discharge. I currently have two Kubota F mowers with the front decks and they are both rear discharge. I prefer rear discharge.
I am one of those "don't mow till you can clearly see what needs mowed" and you can always tell what has and has not been mowed. My neighbors mow about 2 to my one time.
When I'd get to the bottom of my hill and make my turn the Landpride would sort of swing my tractor around which was OK, after the first time doing it, since I needed to turn anyway.
The pretty cheap junky Red one didn't have enough weight to affect the tractor.I preferred the rear discharge deck since it laid the cut grass down evenly on the ground instead of in rows like a side discharge. I currently have two Kubota F mowers with the front decks and they are both rear discharge. I prefer rear discharge.
I am one of those "don't mow till you can clearly see what needs mowed" and you can always tell what has and has not been mowed.
My neighbors mow about 2 to my one time.
