Rotella 15-40 oil posted on Agriculture.com

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   / Rotella 15-40 oil posted on Agriculture.com #31  
Seem like I remember you saying that engines are all different and a given oil will give a different result even when used in the exact same production engine? If this is true, you could be testing different oils until the engine wears out.

I for one am tired of the "my oil is better than your oil". As far as Rotella being a good oil, I don't know. I do know they sell a heck of a lot of it so it can't be bad. When you have trucking company after trucking company using it, I'm sure there's a reason (other than availability). You seem to think these guys that make a living with their equipment are idiots but in reality they know better than you what works for them.
 
   / Rotella 15-40 oil posted on Agriculture.com #32  
Okay, I'm apparently an odd duck. I've generally used regular dino oils in the past and have never had an engine failure. I'm also the nut who keeps a small log book in my glove box and logs each gallon of gas, each mile, and each oil, filter, lube, and maintenance procedure done to my vehicle. For decades I've stayed with the 3 month / 3000 mile oil and filter change.

Now, here comes the out of the ordinary perspective. I'm open to using higher quality oils and going somewhat longer drain intervals if it will provide better lubrication factors for my engines and cost me no more because of a proven ability to provide superior lubrication for a longer duration. In other words, it I can get better lubrication for the same (or slightly higher) net cost, I'm going there. Believe me, to just go 6000 miles with a superior synthetic oil to do the test results still bothers me. I know, it shouldn't; but it does. However, if the actual lab results in my vehicles tell me that I'm providing better lubrication and protection for no more net cost, I'm there.

It may sound prejudiced, but I cringe when I hear "Rotella", because of my personal experience with the people I know who use Rotella. First, every single one drives a PowerStroke. I don't think I know anyone with a PowerStroke who doesn't use Rotella. (if nothing else, Shell is a genius at marketing that sector) Second, and unfortunately, my PowerStroke buddies are the guys who really can't afford a diesel pickup and they own totally ragged out Ford SuperDuty pickups that are almost constantly having to have their glow plugs replaced, their injection pumps repaired, and have dropped numerous valves and have had to have new pistons and rings put in their trucks. So, in my mind, I equate Rotella with broken PowerStrokes whose owners have more ex wives than they have teeth, and only bathe on weekends.

Yeah, before you break your fingers slamming me, I'm quite aware, and intentionally mentioned that their trucks were junk to begin with, that their trucks likely had trouble before they bought them. However, the fact remains that when I talk to them every 10th word in their vocabulary is "Rotella". Heck, it wouldn't surprise me if one of them named their next kid Rotella. Maybe I need new friends. However, as bad as it sounds about them; they would do anything for me at any time, and I for them. A person's income, education, and appearance do not make the person. Their genetically encoded good and honest nature far outweighs any detraction of them as a person. That being said, I still have to really consider some of their thought processes.

Oh well, sorry for the long post, but I felt like I should explain my "non scientific" basis for having my toes curl when I hear PowerStroke and Rotella in the same sentence. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Another thing, I don't have to worry about any of those buddies of mine reading this. Oh, they actually can read, and I've given them free of cost computers. However, the computers are used exclusively by their kids for their school work and educational purposes. My little contribution to help their kids to make a better life for themselves than their hardworking, but by some measures, unsuccessful parents.
 
   / Rotella 15-40 oil posted on Agriculture.com #33  
Who in the heck mentioned Powerstroke except you and Mike? As far as powerstroke goes they have a better reliability record than cummins over the last 10 years. Also the powerstroke doesn't even have an injector pump so how could they keep replacing them? I think you should at least have your facts straight before you go throwing stones.

BTW the Shell used in powerstrokes is nothing compared to what is used in the agricultural and truck world. If Shell had to make their way based on just powerstroke useage they would have been bankrupt a long time ago.
 
   / Rotella 15-40 oil posted on Agriculture.com #34  
Well....obviously you must be a Rotella PowerStroke guy as well. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif As far as your assertion that PowerStroke has had a better reliability record over the last 10 years, I have to laugh at that. I'm a self admitted "Ford" guy. However, it is not contestable amoung diesel techs as a whole and research stats available on the internet about the durability of the Cummins over PowerStroke. I'm not throwing any stones; try reading my post again! However, I will have to tell you that you do not have your facts straight by any means in claiming that PowerStroke is more reliable than Cummins! Why would you figure that Ford uses Cummins engines in their medium duty trucks that take more abuse and harder use? If what you stated was even close to being a fact, I'd be the one PowerStroke owner who doesn't use Rotella. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif That sounds about along the same line as you quoted earlier about all diesel manufactureres requiring the use of Rotella to keep their warranty valid! What's that all about?

You're looking for "stone throwing" where there isn't any since you somehow have construed me stating that Shell has done a admirable job of selling their Rotella to PowerStroke owners. Please quote me from my post where I said that 1) a PowerStroke engine isn't any good, 2) Rotella oil is not any good. It's not there. As a "Dr." you should be more judicious about reading in something that isn't there.

Since I do not own a PowerStroke, perhaps they were replacing their fuel pumps. Or, are you going to tell me that they don't have any sort of pump used in injecting fuel into the cylinders? Gees, there must be a nerve here about PowerStroke and Rotella with you. You'd think that I'd gone to the Kioti area and stated that Kioti's are junk. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
   / Rotella 15-40 oil posted on Agriculture.com #35  
I never stated what you, BillyP, said “You seem to think these guys that make a living with their equipment are idiots but in reality they know better than you what works for them.” I am however tired of this “Top Tier” junk and so on. It is a dino oil, PERIOD! Nothing special here boys. If so, as I have stated, show something to support it.

Then when Cowboy state, “Rotella is also certified as a warranty required oil for ALL diesel manufacturers in the world” Give me a break. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Many corps/businesses use it because they get a deal on it. Remember corporations bid on items for the lowest $$$$$.
#2 Again, I have stated “I have read a lot of oil posts on TBN, and it seems that the #1, first, factor is can “I buy this oil with XX minutes of my home” AKA walmart. I have never read any data on TBN that shows anything. Just what people think. Lets talk data, not where can I buy this oil.
 
   / Rotella 15-40 oil posted on Agriculture.com #36  
Powerstroke better then Cummins....... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif...Right and "for my next act ".......Ford #1 in quality too. you crack me up.
 
   / Rotella 15-40 oil posted on Agriculture.com #37  
What the heck is the matter with you guys? I never said that Ford or any other mfg. required you to use Rotella. I said that Rotella was approved for use with regards to the warranty. I NEVER said it was required.

You can laugh and say all you want but the fact is the fact that the powerstroke was more reliable over the last 10 years than Cummins. This has been discussed about as much as these stupid oil debates here on other forums. It was from research and from statistics not somebodys opinion. The powerstroke is more reliable, period. And if you knew half of what you are talking about here you would know that in the medium duty truck you have a choice of engines. You can choose the powerstroke, cummins, or the cat engine. You guys and your "supposed" facts are the ones that laughable.
 
   / Rotella 15-40 oil posted on Agriculture.com #38  
cowboydoc, "Rotella is also certified as a warranty required oil for ALL diesel manufacturers in the world".

any questions?
 
   / Rotella 15-40 oil posted on Agriculture.com #39  
Yea you obviously want to read more into what I said. It is a warranty approved oil. Dodge, Ford, Chevy are all denying warranty claims for oil and filters. Say what you want but they are doing it. Rotella is one of the approved oils that you can use and not run afoul of the warranty police. I never said it was required to use it.
 
   / Rotella 15-40 oil posted on Agriculture.com #40  
I had a powerstroke and it was not that "reliable". I have some copied service slips from the 11, not 10, 11 times in the shop within 81K miles. How do you define "reliable"? My buddies Cummins has been in the shop 4 times in 6-years.

This debate is worse then the "Top tier" group 3 oil debate.

I do not see any links provided? Lets see the "research and from statistics"? Anyone?
 
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