Same (Italian) tractor

farmyid · Oct 3, 2003

Hello All,
I stumbled across a dealer who sells "Same" trators, made by Lamborgini and was surprised to find them very competitive with the big three. he quoted me $19K for a 45 horse 3,500 plus pound tractor with a Hardy FEL, HST, big height and tires and the most beautiful heated and air conditioned cab I've seen plus lots of neat features you would expect on a well designed Euro machine. Also the engine which is air cooled is supposed to last longer and burn more efficiently than even the Japanese engines. TGTBT? (to good to be true?) I am going to drive up and see it, but wondered if anyone out there owns one and has an opinion. Mark

Bob_Skurka · Oct 3, 2003

I don't know about SAME brand tractors, but I do know that before Lamborgini starting making $250,000 sports cars, they were a tractor company of long standing in Europe and were known for building quality tractors. They also dabbled in 4x4's designed to tackle the Saraha desert. IF it is true that Same is Lamborgini, then it probably is a good tractor. But what about parts availability? How long has the dealer represented them? What is the dealer's reputation? Etc. . .

Dutchman · Oct 3, 2003

I echo Bob's comments regarding parts and service. I hadn't heard of Same so I did a quick web search. They are real sharp looking tractors and one can almost see the Lamborghini styling in them /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif I see what you mean about the cabs. I also understand they are the third leading tractor manufacturer in western Europe. Of course that doesn't help much if you have to go to western Europe for parts.

JerryG · Oct 3, 2003

My Massey dealer, also sell Same tractors. He has told me that he has no problem getting parts what so ever. He had Mahindra for a while and had nothing but problems getting parts for them. I do need to say that he sold only the larger Ag models and not compacts. I know more than one person that has a Same and they really like them.

farmyid · Oct 3, 2003

yeah, but wouldn't that be a great excuse to go to italy for a week? 'Scuse me darlin i have to run down to the parts store for a new fuel filter ... Mark
PS I'll keep you updated next week when I see them. Is 2.5 hours away just TOO FAR to go?

Bob_Skurka · Oct 3, 2003

IS 2.5hrs TOO FAR?

That depends on what else is available. Within 8 miles of my doorstep I have JD, Kubota, Cub, NH, WHITE/AGCO. Within 30 miles of my house I have MULTIPLE JD, Kubota, Cub and NH. So in my case I would not consider many other very fine tractors like Kioti, Massy or maybe even Same.

I guess I would not drive 2.5 hours each way to save $1000, if I knew I had to make a few return trips each year every year for the next 5, 10 or 15 years. Now if I was a better mechanic (I am not) and I felt like stocking all the common filters, belts, hoses, fluids and maybe even a few hard parts, then I might go past all the dealerships to save the $1000. But those parts might cost me $500 to keep in my garage and that reduces my savings.

If money was more critical than time, and if I really liked the tractor that much more, then I would consider the drive reasonable. But I'd still want the spare parts bin full of misc. stuff in my garage.

Also, I believe that most people do not have access to as many dealerships as I do as close as I do so I am very fortunate to have lots of choices locally. If you are not in that position, then you may be driving 1 or 2 hours to the dealer anyway, so what is the big deal about driving 2.5 if the local Cub, or Massy, or Kubota dealers is 1.5 or 2 hours away?

All that said, I would drive 5 or 6 hours to find a good antique Oliver to restore, but that is a whole different type of conversation...

Golfgar4 · Oct 3, 2003

What's really interesting is that, at least in their Garden tractor category (25hp - 42 hp), it looks like there's a front mounted PTO. One of the pictures showed a tractor mowing with a front finish type mower. The tractor also had a cool kind of canvas covering that covered not only the top, but came down in back also.

There was no dealer locator that I saw on the web site, but when I clicked Locations (or something like that), a dealer in Stone Mountain, GA was listed as the North American office. Obviously there are other dealers around, as evidenced by JerryG's comment about the one in Arkansas. But without e-mailing the main office, I don't know how you could find out about other dealer locations.

Woodbeef · Oct 3, 2003

SAME owns Lamborghini,Hurlimann,and Deutz-Fahr(used to be called SLH=SAME,Lambo,Hurlimann/now called SD-F,SAME,Deutz-Fahr). AGCO has used SLH tractors for many years,and the new GT is from SD-F. Their NA office is in stone Mt.GA. www.sameduetz-fahr.com for the main site in Italy,or www.samedeutzfahr.com for the NA site.

AndyMA · Oct 3, 2003

I took a look at all 4 or 5 tractor sites that are owned by the group. The cabs on some of them look very similar to the cabs on the New Holland TN series tractors which are also built in Italy. Much of the glass, and metal frame looks the same. The only major difference was that the ac on the New Hollands seems better integrated as it is not mounted on top of the cab as it is in at least some of the SAME tractors. Perhaps the cabs are made by the same company?

Andy

Durbob · Oct 3, 2003

Does anyone know of any dealers that have websites to get a better look at them?

JayC · Oct 3, 2003

I checked out the Lamborghini tractors. They were kinda weird looking. I looked at their CUTs. In the pictures, they show the ROPS in the center of the tractor ahead of the steering wheel rather than the traditional rear of the tractor. It may be just me, but I think that would be a distraction to have the ROPS in the center.

Woodbeef · Oct 4, 2003

There's a dealer locator on the US site. It goes by your zip code and will search up to a 1000 mile radius.

Old_Hickory · Oct 4, 2003

I want one of the track driven ones.(looks like a bulldozer) /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

farmyid · Oct 4, 2003

My computer is balking at bringing me to the www.sameduetz-fahr.com site although I have been to the Italiam one (frustrating as my Italian stinks) Also the one the dealer who is located near St Johnbury Vermont sent me to, lamborghini.net. Watch out for that one it can send you to an extemely nasty **** site instead. Some info I found interesting, Same/lamborghini/ hurlimann was sold by the Lamborghini family to a company doing buisness as Same Deutz Farrh but they still make lamborghini brand tractors which are (in some models) identical to the Same tractors with a different paint job. Some of the tractors sold as "White" in the 90's were made by them. Same is pretty well known in the Orchard industry - they also favor the Goldoni Italian tractors, but Same /lamborghini is building a real dealer network and Goldonis are only sold in certain apple areas. (I just happen to live ten miles from an Orchard equipment supplier that carries them -they are wicked cool looking) the model i am looking at is their biggest CUT, the Same Solaris 45 aka Lamborghini 450 Runner -exact same (no pun intended) tractor. It seems like a lot of tractor for the money. I am an amatuer farmer so having the machine out of commision fro a couple of weeks doesn't scare me too much. Is this my mid life crisis tractor? Mark

Chipperman · Oct 4, 2003

kubotaie
I see you are looking at the Solaris 45. Is the price of $19,000 in your first post including the cab with heat and air? If so sounds like a good deal. If you do not need a cab you may want to take a ride to the south of you to KEATS in Keene and take a look at the Century 3040. Unless you have to have cab and a front or mid PTO (I think they are all options on the Same) the 3040 is very comparable. The Solaris 45 is 42 gross hp and the 3040 is 43 gross hp. The 3040 is quite a bit heavier than the Solaris. What about a loader? I did not see any mention of one. The Century C-50 is built like a tank yet detaches in seconds. I am not sure but it looks from the Same spec sheet that the Solaris 45 only has one hydraulic pump and the flow rate is listed in metric so it is hard to compare. If you plan on using a loader two pumps are a lot nicer. You don’t lose your power steering when using your loader. What ever you do, I wish you good luck. If you do look at the Century I would be very interested in how you compare the two tractors. Feel free to P/M me if you would like to speak with me. I would be glad to help you or answer any questions I can.
Once again
Good luck /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Chipperman

farmyid · Oct 4, 2003

Hi Chipperman,
Yes the 19K includes heat, air, and FEL (which can be seen at EGhardy@videotron.CA - the hardy 35ST) The loader itself looks very heavy duty. Thanks for the tip about the pumps. I plan on checking out the Century, byt didn't know about the place in Keene, Thanks!! I'll be sure to give you my take on it. Where did you see the Specs for the Solaris 45? Mark

Chipperman · Oct 4, 2003

kubotaie
Here is the link to the Solaris page from their you can down load the pdf. spec page.
Solaris page
KEATS is in Keene across from the new Home Depot. I think that is route 9. He is a large NH dealer and does excellent with Zetor and Century. He has an excellent reputation for service. If I were buying a tractor I would want to know what the service rep is for the dealer I was buying from. Again if you think I can be of further help just P/M me and I will contact you.
Thanks and Good luck. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Chipperman
PS: What year is the Same? I have spoken to a Same dealers who took on Century because he says that Same is not competitive on compacts. I might wonder why the dealer near you is so cheap. Maybe the dealer near you just wants to move it.

Chipperman · Oct 4, 2003

kubotaie
I am confused. I thought the link you had was to a picture web site but I see it is an email address. What am I doing wrong.
Chipperman

Chipperman · Oct 4, 2003

kubotaie
I am not confused any more found the Hardy loader site.
Chipperman

Woodbeef · Oct 4, 2003

ahhh...I do believe your SAME history is a tad bit flawed!! SAME started making tractors in 1927. Lamborghini did not start in the tractor business until 1948. In 1972 SAME bought Lamborghini's tractor business. By 1978 SAME had added Hurlimann. Hence SLH as the name. In 1995 SLH bought the tractor and combine end of KHD(Deutz-Fahr) Ever since then the company has been called SD-F. Oh ya as for the corporate site,if you click on english,you'll be on the right site.