Seriously...TPMS?

[kenmac]

If a car is smaller, it should be lighter..

That was my point in the beginning .. They are making some vehicles smaller today than yrs ago. same car but smaller frame, etc, Why else would I said vehicles are lighter than they use to be. Chrysler 300 1960 vs Chrysler 300 2000 .both are Chrysler 300's 1 is smaller & lighter than it use to be

 

[GManBart]

1970 Camaro, 188" overall length, and 3,166lbs base model curb weight.

2014 Camaro 190" overall length, and 3,719lbs base model curb weight.

I can do this all day long...cars have gotten heavier, but hey if you want to say they've gotten more dense, that's fine too.

 

[kenmac]

The only thing you proved is that you need to use an apples-to-oranges comparison to support your mistaken position.

You can try lying with statistics, but if you compare vehicles based upon size, they have gotten heavier. Use overall length, and wheelbase, and they have gotten heavier per foot, i.e. they are more dense....much like some of the folks posting here trying to convolute reality.

A modern car packs more weight into the same size as older cars....no question about it. You can try arguing by using things of different size, but isn't how math, physics, or reality works.

Not correct. I proved to you that vehicles aren't getting heavier , they are getting lighter. you are the 1 that said vehicles are heavier. I proved that's not the case for all vehicles. Now you ant to change and say .. well they are smaller today so, they should be lighter.. Stick to your story.. you said they are heaiver

 

[kenmac]

I can do this all day long...cars have gotten heavier, but hey if you want to say they've gotten more dense, that's fine too.

I can too, You need me to look up some more for you?????

 

[GManBart]

Not correct. I proved to you that vehicles aren't getting heavier , they are getting lighter. you are the 1 that said vehicles are heavier. I proved that's not the case for all vehicles. Now you ant to change and say .. well they are smaller today so, they should be lighter.. Stick to your story.. you said they are heaiver

You didn't prove anything. I just pointed out a bunch of examples of the same model, that stayed about the same size, and they've all gotten heavier. Game, set, MATCH.

You tried comparing vehicles that changed dramatically in size, and aren't the same machines, so you're comparing apples-to-oranges to prove your point. I used vehicles of the same model, and the same size, and showed they've gotten heavier.

Go find a car that has kept the same name, has stayed roughly the same size, and has gotten lighter, and maybe you'd have something. You won't find that, because cars pack more weight into the same size as they used to, i.e. they are more dense, and have gotten heavier.

 

[GManBart]

I can too, You need me to look up some more for you?????

Yeah, go find a car or truck that has stayed roughly the same size, and has gotten lighter....you're going to be searching for a long time.

 

[kenmac]

1970 monte carlo weight 3,800# 2000 monte carlo 3,349# 2000 year mod. is lighter.. You said cars are getting heaiver. I listed the same vehicles from some yrs back to up to date.. same cars caddy vs caddy Chrysler 300 vs Chrysler 300. monte carlo vs monte carlo... Vehicles are getting lighter ....... not heavier check mate !!!

 

[GManBart]

I guess some folks are saying size doesn't matter....

 

[GManBart]

1970 monte carlo weight 3,800# 2000 monte carlo 3,349# 2000 year mod. is lighter.. You said cars are getting heaiver. I listed the same vehicles from some yrs back to up to date.. same cars caddy vs caddy Chrysler 300 vs Chrysler 300. monte carlo vs monte carlo... Vehicles are getting lighter ....... not heavier check mate !!!

Wrong again....you didn't find one that stayed close to the same size.

A 1970 Monte Carlo was 205" long. A 2000 Monte Carlo was just under 198" long. Apples-to-oranges again.

So, keep trying....find a car that stayed close in size, but got lighter.

 

[kenmac]

Doen't matter if it's the same wheel base or not.. You made the broad statement that vehicles are getting heavier... You didn't say they have to be the same wheel base, tire size, 5 lug nuts vs 4, 15 gal fuel tank vs 20. etc, etc, YOU SAID "Vehicles Are Heavier... Broad statement that you can't back up

 

[GManBart]

Doen't matter if it's the same wheel base or not.. You made the broad statement that vehicles are getting heavier... You didn't say they have to be the same wheel base, tire size, 5 lug nuts vs 4, 15 gal fuel tank vs 20. etc, etc, YOU SAID "Vehicles Are Heavier... Broad statement that you can't back up

You've listed a few vehicles that have gotten smaller physically, and weigh less.

I've listed a pile of vehicles that have stayed the same size, and gotten heavier.

See how that works? Cars that haven't changed size got heavier. Game, set, match, nothing more to be debated. You simply can't argue that on any logical basis....you have to compare apples-to-oranges to attempt some sort of a argument.

Regardless of any specific make, or model, cars are heavier for any given size today than they have been in the past....that also isn't a debatable topic if any sort of logic is followed.

But hey, it was fun watching you give it a go! :thumbsup:

 

[GManBart]

Where do you come up with this stuff. Cars are heavier today than they were 30 yrs ago ??? Really ???? Auto makers aren't getting the fuel mileage they are getting out of these autos by building them heavier. around 30 yrs ago the imports were getting better gas mileage than us made vehicles . You know why ???? Smaller engines smaller vehicles that were lighter in weight. There's not a lot of magic in getting fuel mileage... Loose weight !!!! All vehicles today are made out of lighter weight material than they were 30 yrs ago.. that's a fact !!!.

Just a reminder, I said 30 years ago compared to today, right? Proof you don't know what you're talking about....

Average car weight in 1983 was 3,112lbs.

Average car weight in 2012 was 3,977lbs.

They haven't released model year 2013 data yet, but have said it will likely increase.

Vehicle Technologies Office: Fact #475: June 25, 2007 Light Vehicle Weight on the Rise

Green Car Congress: EPA trends report sees record levels of average new vehicle fuel economy and CO2 emissions for MY 2012; role of new gasoline vehicle technologies

Again, "cars have gotten heavier" is factual....regardless of your opinions, or oddball examples.

 

[MikePA]

I thought it was over, but, alas, it was only a 4 hour respite. I wrote the following in a post over 4 years ago. Change 'trucks' to TPMS'. Some things don't change.

I think it was a Star Trek episode. Kirk and Spock were taken hostage by aliens (what else is new?). They awoke in an old Roman gladiator ring (you do like gladiator movies, don't you?). Of course, the aliens were dressed in togas, the emporer was in his box seats and immediately ordered Spock and Kirk to start, well, gladiating. Spock, being the stronger Vulcan, beat up Kirk. However, they didn't die, rather they were magically healed and the next day the process started all over again.

Of course, this was science fiction but it's a lot like almost every truck thread on TBN. While Spock and Kirk aren't in these truck threads, every thread has the same cast of combatants and the plot is always the same.

1. Someone starts a thread about something dealing with trucks. Engines, transmissions, oil, horsepower, reliability, it really doesn't matter. Often it's not one of cast of characters who starts the thread. Just some innocent TBNer who wandered into the Truck Colliseum.
2. This triggers the cast of characters to be awakened from suspended animation.
3. One member of the cast says, "White".
4. Another member of the cast says, "Black".
5. Soon we're up to 10 pages of messages, each containing lots of quotes from other cast members in a futile attempt to convince the others. If it's a real special episode of Truck Gladiators, there will be links to competing 'facts'.
6. As the thread approaches 15 or 16 pages, each cast member notifies the Gladiator Referees of a supposed breach of the rules.
7. Soon thereafter the Gladiator Referees give the whole performance a thumbs down and the sad episode comes to an end.

But never fear, after a brief respite, just like Spock and Kirk, up starts another thread and like locusts, the same cast of characters rises again to do battle. Unlike Spock and Kirk, who eventually recognized the utter futility of what they were doing, TBN Truck Gladiators never recognize the futility. Sad, isn't it?

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