Seriously...TPMS?

[rsallen]

That's the ticket Gman, lets bring back slicks!

 

[rsallen]

HUH?
You're not making sense Check.

 

[GManBart]

Where do you come up with this stuff. Cars are heavier today than they were 30 yrs ago ??? Really ???? Auto makers aren't getting the fuel mileage they are getting out of these autos by building them heavier. around 30 yrs ago the imports were getting better gas mileage than us made vehicles . You know why ???? Smaller engines smaller vehicles that were lighter in weight. There's not a lot of magic in getting fuel mileage... Loose weight !!!! All vehicles today are made out of lighter weight material than they were 30 yrs ago.. that's a fact !!!. I also see cars all over the side of the road with flat blown out tires. I know you don't believe it but, people still drive with the light on thinking they'll air up the tire when they get a chance. TPMS does nothing for a sudden blow out when someone runs over an object on the hwy. Like truckers, I give my vehicles a look B-4 I just jump in and drive off

Wow, you really don't know much about cars, do you? Go look up historical weights of cars from say 1970-1975, then compare them with current cars.

A 1970 Chevelle Malibu, 4dr with V8 engine weighed 3,800lbs give or take. The Ford Taurus V6 AWD I had as a work car weighed 4,250lbs. Yep, and a Taurus isn't exactly a huge car. New Chrysler 300s go from 4,000 to almost 4,300lbs. Only the biggest of the BIG cars from the early 70s weighed as much as even medium/large size cars do today.

A 1974 Ford Mustang with V8 weighed 2,800lbs max. A 2014 Ford Mustang with a V8 weighs 3,600lbs, and they're similar in size.

My Tundra weighed just over 6,000lbs when I was on the scale at the scrap yard....how many 1/2 ton trucks weighed that much 30 years ago? None....

So you really think modern cars are getting lighter? Wrong....they're heavier. They get better gas mileage because the engines are far more efficient, and they have things like overdrive transmissions to help even more.

I never said that nobody would drive with the light on, I said a lot of people wouldn't drive with the light on....period.

Sudden blowouts? Seriously, those are extremely rare, and most often, are preceded by losing pressure that the driver didn't know about, because they didn't have a TPMS system.

 

[ruffdog]

You know what, If it blows or goes flat on me guess what??? I can and have handled it !!!! I've been driving about 45 years so, I've probably had/changed more flats than you've seen !!. I'm not like some of you younger folks. I can handle things myself. I don't need the government to do it for me. If we bet. and you win,. Will the government have to help you build the barn ??? Someone will because, the way you talk you need all the help you can get.

This reminded me of the flat tire scene in the movie "The Christmas Story". A Christmas Story The Flat Tire - YouTube

 

[GManBart]

You know what, If it blows or goes flat on me guess what??? I can and have handled it !!!! I've been driving about 45 years so, I've probably had/changed more flats than you've seen !!. I'm not like some of you younger folks. I can handle things myself. I don't need the government to do it for me. If we bet. and you win,. Will the government have to help you build the barn ??? Someone will because, the way you talk you need all the help you can get.

Just because you haven't had an accident because of a low tire doesn't mean you can "handle it"....it just hasn't happened to you yet. I've only been driving about 30 years, but for six of them I had a CDL and probably drove more miles in a week than you do in a couple of months. Oh, and there was the three years I lived in Montana where I would do a minimum of 1,000 miles a week driving between missile launch sites.

There are always dinosaurs that refuse to accept that there are improvements out there to make things safer for everybody....the quicker they stop driving, the sooner the rest of us will be a little bit safer.

You know what's great? There isn't any argument here....the law is already in place. Deal with it! :thumbsup:

 

[ruffdog]

Newer cars weigh more because they have ABS, TPMS, metal for impact protection, air bags, emission equipment, better seats and interiors, cd players, bigger wheels and tires and brakes, power windows locks mirrors pedals seats, heated seats and mirrors, and of course all the cup holders. And don't forget all the sound deadening they put in now too.

 

[aczlan]

Where do you come up with this stuff. Cars are heavier today than they were 30 yrs ago ??? Really ???? Auto makers aren't getting the fuel mileage they are getting out of these autos by building them heavier. around 30 yrs ago the imports were getting better gas mileage than us made vehicles . You know why ???? Smaller engines smaller vehicles that were lighter in weight. There's not a lot of magic in getting fuel mileage... Loose weight !!!! All vehicles today are made out of lighter weight material than they were 30 yrs ago.. that's a fact !!!.

You do realize that cars have gotten heavier over time right?
An example:

1985 Volvo 740 GLE Wagon:
Overall Length 188.4 in.
Overall Width 68.9 in.
Overall Height 56.5 in.
Curb Weight 3078-3102 lbs.

1989 Volvo 740 GLE Wagon
Overall Length 188.4 in.
Overall Width 68.9 in.
Overall Height 55.5 in.
Curb Weight 3135-3161 lbs.

1995 Volvo 940 Turbo Wagon(same car, same frame, new interior and a new hood/grill/bumpers)
Overall Length 190.7 in.
Overall Width 68.9 in.
Overall Height 56.5 in.
Curb Weight 3267-3350 lbs

Look at the Civic, compare a 1985 Civic (CRX Si MT 1883# curb weight) to a 2003 Civic (Si with manual transmission, 2744# curb weight). That's 861# more weight to be schlepping around from stoplight to stoplight.

Aaron Z

 

[Runner]

[You know what's great? There isn't any argument here....the law is already in place. Deal with it!]

Yup, it's "SETTLED LAW". Now, where have we heard that before??

 

[ruffdog]

I went shopping yesterday at the grocery store and saw a newer SUV with its rear tires HALF flat. :duh:

 

[Runner]

I went shopping yesterday at the grocery store and saw a newer SUV with its rear tires HALF flat. :duh:

Yeah, but just the bottom half, right?

 

[ruffdog]

Yeah, but just the bottom half, right?

True! LOL The top half looked great! Maybe that is the half they were looking at, even more reason we need TPMS. As a old mech/service mngr, I can't keep from checking over peoples rides while walking past.

 

[DK35vince]

I've only been driving about 30 years, but for six of them I had a CDL and probably drove more miles in a week than you do in a couple of months. Oh, and there was the three years I lived in Montana where I would do a minimum of 1,000 miles a week driving between missile launch sites.

There are always dinosaurs that refuse to accept that there are improvements out there to make things safer for everybody....the quicker they stop driving, the sooner the rest of us will be a little bit safer.

Yet I've had CDL's and been driving commercial vehicles since 1983 and I keep being told by you and another member I am disconnected from the driving experience, and a dangerous dinosaur that should have my license revoked because I don't rely on ABS and TPMS.
I don't get it!!

 

[kenmac]

Wow, you really don't know much about cars, do you? Go look up historical weights of cars from say 1970-1975, then compare them with current cars.

A 1970 Chevelle Malibu, 4dr with V8 engine weighed 3,800lbs give or take. The Ford Taurus V6 AWD I had as a work car weighed 4,250lbs. Yep, and a Taurus isn't exactly a huge car. New Chrysler 300s go from 4,000 to almost 4,300lbs. Only the biggest of the BIG cars from the early 70s weighed as much as even medium/large size cars do today.

A 1974 Ford Mustang with V8 weighed 2,800lbs max. A 2014 Ford Mustang with a V8 weighs 3,600lbs, and they're similar in size.

My Tundra weighed just over 6,000lbs when I was on the scale at the scrap yard....how many 1/2 ton trucks weighed that much 30 years ago? None....

So you really think modern cars are getting lighter? Wrong....they're heavier. They get better gas mileage because the engines are far more efficient, and they have things like overdrive transmissions to help even

Obiviously, more than You. The info I find state other wise 1980 Cadillac deville weighs 4,200# a 2000 deville weighs 4,011 #Wrong again overdrive isn't the only reason they get better mileage.. Aluminum engines, radiators, intakes, etc,etc

 

[kenmac]

You do realize that cars have gotten heavier over time right?
An example:






Look at the Civic, compare a 1985 Civic (CRX Si MT 1883# curb weight) to a 2003 Civic (Si with manual transmission, 2744# curb weight). That's 861# more weight to be schlepping around from stoplight to stoplight.

Aaron Z

Really ???? Not true with the with the Cadillac deville 1980 vs 2000 The 1980 weights more than a 2000 1961 Chrysler 300 weight 4260 # 2005 Chrysler 300 weight 3553 # From what I have found,,, cars have gotten lighter over time Maybe we can just say,, some cars have gotten lighter over time

 

[aczlan]

Really ???? Not true with the with the Cadillac deville 1980 vs 2000 The 1980 weights more than a 2000

The ones I was comparing were the SAME BODY/FRAME, you could take a door off of the 1985 and it would bolt right up to the 1995 (or the 1998 S/V90).
You are comparing apples to oranges.
The 1980 is a C/D body which would have up to a 7L engine (425cu in L33/L35) with 121.4 in wheelbase, a overall length of 221.0 in and a curb weight of 4,000–4,400 lb (source: Cadillac de Ville series - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

The 2000 is a G body with a 4.6L engine (Northstar V8), a 115.3 in wheelbase, a overall length of 207.2 in and a curb weight of 3800lb (source: Cadillac de Ville series - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

So, yes its 200-600# lighter, but it also has a smaller engine, a 6.1" shorter wheelbase, a different drive train (FWD vs RWD) and a body that is 13.8" shorter.

Aaron Z

 

[kenmac]

I listed the same cars, I can't help that they are now made smaller and lighter. Chrysler 300 is a Chrysler 300 I can't help that in 1960 they built a tank and now they build them smaller and lighter. Your statement was.'' cars have gotten heavier over time.'' My statement was they haven't. at least, not all of them

 

[GManBart]

Obiviously, more than You. The info I find state other wise 1980 deville weighs 4,200# a 2000 deville weighs 4,011 #Wrong again overdrive isn't the only reason they get better mileage.. Aluminum engines, radiators, intakes, etc,etc

Not even close, or you wouldn't have to use misleading statistics, commonly called apples-to-oranges.

A 1980 Deville was 4,178lbs (curb weight), and had an overall length of 221".

A 2000 Deville was 4,047lbs but was only 207" overall length. It's a foot and a half shorter, and only weighs 131lbs less.

Curiously, the 2013 Caddy XTS is just over 4000lbs, and is only 201" overall length. If cars were getting lighter, as you suggest, the weights wouldn't be extremely similar while the size continues to go down.

My 2012 Ford Taurus work car was 4,224lbs, and only 203" long. How could it weigh MORE than a 1980 Cadillac Deville that's over a foot and a half longer if cars are getting lighter?

I already gave you good examples of cars that have stayed about the same size, and gone up dramatically in weight, and now we see cars that are much smaller physically, but staying the same weight, or getting heavier. Short version, your argument that cars are getting lighter is completely wrong.

Not that we need more to completely disprove your theory, but what the heck....base model Ford F1/F100/F150, 4x2, short bed, standard cab, manually tranny, and 6cyl engine over the years:

1950 - 3,100lbs
1960 - 3,200lbs
1970 - 3,500lbs
1980 - 3,800lbs
1990 - 3,800lbs
2000 - 4,300lbs
2014 - 4,685lbs.

Yeah, those old vehicles were soooo much heavier than modern versions....LOL.

 

[kenmac]

I disproved your theory in my previous post. You list ford I list Cadillac . In your own words. newer vehicles are heavier than they use to be. You made a broad statement ... You can't back up .

 

[GManBart]

I listed the same cars, I can't help that they are now made smaller and lighter. Chrysler 300 is a Chrysler 300 I can't help that in 1960 they built a tank and now they build them smaller and lighter. Your statement was.'' cars have gotten heavier over time.'' My statement was they haven't. at least, not all of them

If a car is smaller, it should be lighter....compare models of similar lengths, and they will have gotten heavier.

1965 Mustang was 182" overall length and the base model was just under 2,500lbs curb weight.

A 2014 Mustang is 188" overall length and the base model is 3,501lbs.

Six inches longer, but 1,000lbs heavier, that's a full 40% increase in weight!

 

[GManBart]

I disproved your theory in my previous post. You list ford I list Cadillac . In your own words. newer vehicles are heavier than they use to be. You made a broad statement ... You can't back up .

The only thing you proved is that you need to use an apples-to-oranges comparison to support your mistaken position.

You can try lying with statistics, but if you compare vehicles based upon size, they have gotten heavier. Use overall length, and wheelbase, and they have gotten heavier per foot, i.e. they are more dense....much like some of the folks posting here trying to convolute reality.

A modern car packs more weight into the same size as older cars....no question about it. You can try arguing by using things of different size, but isn't how math, physics, or reality works.