Should I even consider a 7' cutter?

   / Should I even consider a 7' cutter? #31  
mmmmmm.. flails... 'constant maintenance' comes to mind.....
 
   / Should I even consider a 7' cutter? #32  
I'd go with a nice medium duty 8' twin and keep the blades sharp for all your regular cutting.
Of the 20 you cut if you have and area or two or trail that is really wooly use the old 6 you have.
You can also get used 5' or 6' single spindle cutters cheap used just about any day of the week at an auction or craigslist that will be fine used a couple of times a year in gnarly stuff and if they break too bad to the junkyard they go and get another.
 
   / Should I even consider a 7' cutter? #33  
Thats my point. Just because you can go faster, does not mean you will get done quicker.

Entirely untrue, the faster you mow, the more acres you cover given the same deck size. Pretty simple.


IE: 4' cutter at 6mph or a 8' cutter at 3mph is gonna get done in the same amount of time. While others may think that mowing @ 3mph in is slow, I would much prefer that than 6mph because it is gonna be a smoother ride and easier on the tractor while still getting done in the same amount of time.

I think that is wishful thinking that you doubling your mower width automatically equals half the speed. Mower weight, pto hp, and vegetation density play a huge role in figuring this out even though in theory with an equation it works out.


How fast you can mow in terms of acres per hour has to do with the HP, not the size of the mower. Until you are mowing in your slowest gear, you are NOT out of power. Sure, more power can let you gear up and go faster, but with a given tractor, I want the biggest cutter I can comfortably lift and pull. Again, I slow down alot because of things OTHER than not having enough power. And given an 8' cutter is gonna "feel" lighter than my heavy 6' hanging 2' further back, I am still surprised those that say its a bad idea.

Seems to be this big mis-conception that if you cannot haul @$$ then you dont have enough power. I'll stand by my recommendation to get the biggest cutter you tractor can comfortably handle from a physical/weight standpoint. If it makes you have to mow at 1 or 2 MPH, thats great. Going to a smaller cutter and driving faster aint gonna get you done any sooner.

The OP's tractor is 55HP and 48 at the PTO. And if trailering wasnt a concern I'd be looking at a 10'er.


LD, if you can mow faster you will get done quicker with the same size mower there is no arguing that unless you only take half swaths. There is a generic formula that mathematically calculates your acres per hour but that's not taking into account the size of the tractor or the density of the growth. If your only goal is to clip a pasture or take off two inches of grass than I think we are splitting hairs and I think you could run a larger mower. If you are actually brush hogging with 2' tall thick weeds, we are in a whole different ballpark and I stand by my argument that the 5hp/foot is a good rule of thumb and should be the minimum recommendation for the average user without special circumstances coming into play I.E terrain, trees, growth thickness. I think if you are well below the 5hp/ft rule of thumb for a mower, you are going to be lucky to go 1/3 as fast as with a cutter that is twice the optimum sized cutter. I really doubt that doubling the mower width is going to cut your speed in exactly half. I'm sitting at almost 7hp/ft of mower and I wish I had more when mowing tall fields at 4mph-4.5mph. Both the terrain and the pto power are limiting me to that speed.
 
   / Should I even consider a 7' cutter? #34  
There is a generic formula that mathematically calculates your acres per hour but that's not taking into account the size of the tractor or the density of the growth.

The formula for calculating theoretical field capacity (100% efficiency) in acres/hour = ground speed (mph) * implement width (feet)/8.25. That value has to be adjusted by an efficiency factor that allows for overlap, turning, etc. to obtain actual capacity; e.g., 80%. If you can achieve 82.5% efficiency, the formula reduces to speed (mph) * implement width (feet)/10.

The size of the tractor and density of growth would be accounted for by adjusting the ground speed. You might have to slow from say an average of 4 mph in "normal mowing" to 2 mph when mowing thick grass.

Steve
 
   / Should I even consider a 7' cutter? #35  
Entirely untrue, the faster you mow, the more acres you cover given the same deck size. Pretty simple.

Taken out of context. That statement goes with the second part I said. More or less meaning just because you can go faster "with a smaller deck" dont mean you will get done quicker. The "IE:" after my statement says that. (IE means example...)

I think that is wishful thinking that you doubling your mower width automatically equals half the speed. Mower weight, pto hp, and vegetation density play a huge role in figuring this out even though in theory with an equation it works out.
Mower weight...maybe. PTO HP an vegetation density no. Thats where 1/2 the speed comes in.

Just because you go to a larger mower, doesnt mean the PTO HP changes. HP defines work/time. You try to do twice the work, and go half the speed.......SAME HP requirement.





LD, if you can mow faster you will get done quicker with the same size mower there is no arguing that unless you only take half swaths. There is a generic formula that mathematically calculates your acres per hour but that's not taking into account the size of the tractor or the density of the growth. If your only goal is to clip a pasture or take off two inches of grass than I think we are splitting hairs and I think you could run a larger mower. If you are actually brush hogging with 2' tall thick weeds, we are in a whole different ballpark and I stand by my argument that the 5hp/foot is a good rule of thumb and should be the minimum recommendation for the average user without special circumstances coming into play I.E terrain, trees, growth thickness. I think if you are well below the 5hp/ft rule of thumb for a mower, you are going to be lucky to go 1/3 as fast as with a cutter that is twice the optimum sized cutter. I really doubt that doubling the mower width is going to cut your speed in exactly half. I'm sitting at almost 7hp/ft of mower and I wish I had more when mowing tall fields at 4mph-4.5mph. Both the terrain and the pto power are limiting me to that speed.

NO, no arguments that if you can go faster with the SAME mower you will get done quicker. Thats a pretty obvious comment and if you think I am trying to say otherwise, you are NOT reading and understanding what I am saying.

Sure, there are times I mow in 3rd or 4th gear in thick nasty stuff, and wish I had more mower so could pull it through in 5th or 6th.

But there are SO many MORE times that I am slowing down for reasons OTHER than power. In other words, Most the time I mow, I have power to spare and could actually mow faster if there wasnt some other factor (rough terrain, unknown area, ducking around stuff, etc.) THATS why I want to run an 8' cutter. Pretty simple....33% bigger, and I can mow 33% slower and get done in the same time frame and require the same HP. Given the many jobs where I am mowing slow just because its rough......I'll actually get done much quicker. And the smooth ones where I am already mowing at max power or max speed, I'll slow down. Going slower with a bigger cutter. Wont take any longer.
 
   / Should I even consider a 7' cutter? #36  
Under your logic the Only limiting factor for my HST tractor is the weight of the cutter. My tractor weighs close to 6,000 pounds with the loader and loaded tires. It should be able to pull a 15 foot batwing on flat ground with only 25 pto hp.
 
   / Should I even consider a 7' cutter? #37  
Under your logic the Only limiting factor for my HST tractor is the weight of the cutter. My tractor weighs close to 6,000 pounds with the loader and loaded tires. It should be able to pull a 15 foot batwing on flat ground with only 25 pto hp.

Probably would. Go about 1/3 the ground speed of a 5' cutter.
 
   / Should I even consider a 7' cutter? #38  
Under your logic the Only limiting factor for my HST tractor is the weight of the cutter. My tractor weighs close to 6,000 pounds with the loader and loaded tires. It should be able to pull a 15 foot batwing on flat ground with only 25 pto hp.

Probably would. Go about 1/3 the ground speed of a 5' cutter.
 
   / Should I even consider a 7' cutter? #40  
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