Starlink

[B7510HSD]

All companies are in business to make money. They have to make money to survive and it is the generally accepted motivation to put up with the expense and aggravation of producing a product or providing a service. In this case 2 people receive the "same" service. One person (group A) gets a rate hike. The other (group B) gets a reduction so his neighbor will join. How does that not feel like group A is subsidizing group B? Is not the increase in revenue from Group A negating the cost of the reduced revenue from group B?
The answer looks pretty obvious to me.

The answer is really simple A: move to Group B neighborhood or B: Cancel your subscription. Us complaining over and over again will not fix the problem.

 

[BigBlue1]

All companies are in business to make money. They have to make money to survive and it is the generally accepted motivation to put up with the expense and aggravation of producing a product or providing a service. In this case 2 people receive the "same" service. One person (group A) gets a rate hike. The other (group B) gets a reduction so his neighbor will join. How does that not feel like group A is subsidizing group B? Is not the increase in revenue from Group A negating the cost of the reduced revenue from group B?
The answer looks pretty obvious to me.

You guys are looking at it from the customer point of view. It's not going to make complete sense that way. Take a look from the business point of view. It's not profit or subsidy, it is customer motivation and SL steering product use into healthier arrangements. This is important to SL because of their very location-specific usage situation. They are increasing prices to potentially reduce use in congested locations. Reducing use and preventing new customers in congested cells (wait listing) will make the customer experience better for those customer that are in the cells. Having a good reputation is VITAL for a company. A small group of very happy customers is way better for the health of the company than a larger group of less happy customers.

 

[Fixastuff]

Do I pay the same thing for a loaf of bread in rural VA as someone in NYC? Are NYC bread buyers subsidizing my bread purchases?

 

[K5lwq]

I do not mind the price increase or the reduction for others. My issue is the service is dropping off. Either they did not understand the market or demand or the infrastructure is not able to support their goals. Changing the price is not going to make much difference when there is no other choice. I think giving a price increase with some plan of action to improve service would have been a better way to get what they need.

 

[Jchonline]

All companies are in business to make money. They have to make money to survive and it is the generally accepted motivation to put up with the expense and aggravation of producing a product or providing a service. In this case 2 people receive the "same" service. One person (group A) gets a rate hike. The other (group B) gets a reduction so his neighbor will join. How does that not feel like group A is subsidizing group B? Is not the increase in revenue from Group A negating the cost of the reduced revenue from group B?
The answer looks pretty obvious to me.

Still do not follow. Simple supply and demand. If a product or service is in high demand, the price goes up. If it is in high supply, the price goes down. This happens with goods and service all over the US every day. What you are saying is if I live in NY city and have to pay $7 for a gallon of milk but that same gallon is $2 in KY then NY is subsidizing milk in KY. Many goods and services are provided by the SAME company and sold around the US at different prices.

 

[BigBlue1]

I think this "someone is getting something at my expense" mentality is more and more common these days. To me that's just a fact of life. I know my industry peers get paid a LOT more $$ if they live in NY or CA but I'm not worried about it. Things don't cost as much for me as for them. Life isn't always 'equitable' because the world is a complex system with many inputs.

 

[scootr]

Still do not follow. Simple supply and demand. If a product or service is in high demand, the price goes up. If it is in high supply, the price goes down. This happens with goods and service all over the US every day. What you are saying is if I live in NY city and have to pay $7 for a gallon of milk but that same gallon is $2 in KY then NY is subsidizing milk in KY. Many goods and services are provided by the SAME company and sold around the US at different prices.

Still foolish. Is it really wise to tell the customer his rate is going up and his neighbors rate is going down?
Better business practice would have been to send out 2 separate emails. One to rate increase customers stating the usual reasons higher demand increased overhead. And a different whoo hoo your rate is going down email to the lucky customers. Anyway - you have my opinion and I have yours. Have a great day - I'm out ... unchanged.

 

[Jchonline]

Still foolish. Is it really wise to tell the customer his rate is going up and his neighbors rate is going down?
Better business practice would have been to send out 2 separate emails. One to rate increase customers stating the usual reasons higher demand increased overhead. And a different whoo hoo your rate is going down email to the lucky customers. Anyway - you have my opinion and I have yours. Have a great day - I'm out ... unchanged.

Not neighbor.. The cells are 15 miles across.

No not better business practice...you are thinking like a salesman. Hoping the one wont realize the other gets a different deal. Better to be honest and upfront about it all. In the age of the internet everyone is bound to find out anyway.

Anyway - you have my opinion and I have yours. Have a great day - I'm out ... unchanged.

 

[scootr]

Congrates you got the last word in.

 

[cqaigy2]

Congrates you got the last word in.

Looks like you're the winner on the last word.

 

[KilroyJC]

When this happens it is only to 1 or 2 devices? The rest of the devices on the LAN can connect to the Internet OK at that time? Do those affected devices have decent bars of wifi connection at the time? Does your LAN have only the Starlink router or do you have other wifi devices such as a mesh network?

I only have the new-style StarLink router, but no additional network extenders etc. my iPad works fine, no interruptions, it really pisses off my wife. . . The printer (HP8160) drops off the network occasionally and I have to manually reconnect it, too. Also, our RoKu is working fine (THANK GOD!) as well.

 

[WoodChuckDad]

As I said. Good popcorn and beer read, watching Yall hash this out.
I discovered that some of you are confused about how socialism differs from capitalism and don’t understand the free market.
BTW. My speeds have trended upward the last couple weeks. I’m getting 60’s for download and teens for upload. Given our current situation, I feel I am getting my money’s worth.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

I was afraid you was running low on popcorn

 

[BigBlue1]

As I said. Good popcorn and beer read, watching Yall hash this out.
I discovered that some of you are confused about how socialism differs from capitalism and don’t understand the free market.
BTW. My speeds have trended upward the last couple weeks. I’m getting 60’s for download and teens for upload. Given our current situation, I feel I am getting my money’s worth.

Get back to work. You don't have time for popcorn and beer... got to make us more videos...

 

[BigBlue1]

I only have the new-style StarLink router, but no additional network extenders etc. my iPad works fine, no interruptions, it really pisses off my wife. . . The printer (HP8160) drops off the network occasionally and I have to manually reconnect it, too. Also, our RoKu is working fine (THANK GOD!) as well.

OK. That is really odd then. Not a common thing for selective devices to disconnect and need to be manually reconnected. I was going to give tips if it was a different scenario but I got nothin'...

 

[buckeyefarmer]

Get back to work. You don't have time for popcorn and beer... got to make us more videos...

He’s probably testing the AC today.

 

[ponytug]

OK. That is really odd then. Not a common thing for selective devices to disconnect and need to be manually reconnected. I was going to give tips if it was a different scenario but I got nothin'...

True, but it also isn't uncommon for different manufacturers, their WiFi hardware, and their wifi drivers have different behaviors under similar network conditions. I've seen different vintage Samsung products behave differently. Ditto different versions of Android.

@KilroyJC there is also the option of gifting your wife an iPhone and an iPad...

All the best,

Peter

 

[KilroyJC]

OK. That is really odd then. Not a common thing for selective devices to disconnect and need to be manually reconnected. I was going to give tips if it was a different scenario but I got nothin'...

My existence is full of aberrations. People wonder why I often exclaim “BORING IS GOOD!”. I would like some “normal” boring problems. . .

 

[JethroB]

On the tractor theme, I’ve been wifi streaming music via my iPhone to the Bluetooth radio in my cabbed Kubota. Pretty impressed how far I can get from the house & basic StarLink router before the phone loses wifi. 200-250 feet or so of open space.

 

[ponytug]

Two questions for all of you who are running your Starlink router in bypass mode;

What are your ping times to your dish (i.e. 100.64.0.1)?

What sort of packet loss do you have to Dishy? (E.g.my 4,000 second ping has a loss of 1.8%)

(Why am I asking? Well, we've been having issues, and I ran a long ping test to three nodes, in order of distance;
Starlink router, 1.2ms ping, 0 packets lost.
Dishy, 48ms, ~2% loss
DNS server, 60ms, 2.2% packet loss.)

In my naive view of the world, there should be 0% loss to Dishy, and the ping time should be closer to 2-2.5ms. Moreover, if the ping time to Dishy is really 48ms, then the ping to the DNS server should be closer to 48+25=73ms+, when you factor in satellite overhead.

So, does a Dishy ping get answered by a Starlink ground station?

Just sign me struggling with issues that don't make sense...

Peter

In thinking about this, I think Starlink seems to imply that Dishy is 100.64.0.1, but I think that address is actually hosted at a ground station somewhere, which would explain the ping delay and packet losses.

Dishy got behind on the auto snow melt function this morning and we lost signal for ninety minutes or so. That may, or may not, be related to an OS update that may have turned off the heating during the reboot. It was only just below freezing, but we did get 4-6" overnight, preceded by freezing rain.

All the best,

Peter