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[Muhammad]

There are laws about this sort of thing.

Selling on the Internet: Prompt Delivery Rules

The Internet is the fastest growing source of mail order sales. It's estimated that consumers spent $200 billion on Internet-based goods and services in 2008. The explosive growth in the goods and services sold online has in the past, taken many online sellers by surprise: demand has outpaced...

www.ftc.gov

 

[two_bit_score]

Not sure we would all agree with that. Many people simply clicked to order things directly online through their website, and only after their CC being immediately charged did they learn the item would have a months-away shipping date.

You can go to their website right now and give them thousands of your dollars immediately, even though their gates are locked.

But once your card was charged and you knew about the "months away shipping date"
and you did not take action to cancel the order you accepted the risk, I would say. You had an opportunity to get it shut down and buy somewhere else but you accepted the risk. You may not agree but you clearly did accept the risk.

"their CC being immediately charged did they learn the item would have a months-away shipping date."

 

[two_bit_score]

There are laws about this sort of thing.

Selling on the Internet: Prompt Delivery Rules

The Internet is the fastest growing source of mail order sales. It's estimated that consumers spent $200 billion on Internet-based goods and services in 2008. The explosive growth in the goods and services sold online has in the past, taken many online sellers by surprise: demand has outpaced...

www.ftc.gov

I wonder if those selling ads to vendors who violate these rules would have any liability to buyers? If they should have known and did not warn buyers or if they failed to stop the ads after the point that they should have known there was a violation. You know - go after the deep pockets. So to speak. When the class action suits start getting filed there is no telling who could get snagged in this quagmire.

 

[Lineman North Florida]

Rut manufacturing is a well known manufacturer of skid steer disc mulchers, ss forestry mowers, etc , they are located somewhere right there close to EA in Denton NC and when you order from them if it's not in stock ready to ship you give them a small down payment and they call and charge you the remainder when your item is ready to be shipped out. Same with Kaufman trailers in NC & SC 10% down to hold the trailer if you want something special , balance due the day you pick it up.

 

[sea2summit]

Ordered something from Cabelas online Saturday and they charged me immediately. Hasn’t shipped yet. Am I a sucker?

You guys are pretty funny.

 

[kennyd]

Care to provide substantiations' to your comment or is your comment also just your opinion as well?

Nothing 'fake' about JD purchasing Kuhn products and having them 'Kuhn' repainting them JD green. That has been discussed on many forums and substantiated, where have you been? Under a rock maybe?

They are not "repainting" them, Frontier (JD) contracts many OEM's to build implements for them, they are painted green at their factory.
Paladin make their smaller grapples: Paladin Attachments
Ameriquip makes the backhoes: Home
RAD makes some snow blowers: Home -
Woods makes some box blades and RFM's for them
Kuhn does indeed make stuff for them too
And there are many more...

And, Kubota does the same...

You made it sound like they are buying stuff at the local farm store, repainting and reselling them after a huge markup

 

[Chewwy]

I wonder if those selling ads to vendors who violate these rules would have any liability to buyers? If they should have known and did not warn buyers or if they failed to stop the ads after the point that they should have known there was a violation. You know - go after the deep pockets. So to speak. When the class action suits start getting filed there is no telling who could get snagged in this quagmire.

So are your thinking TBN has some liability for selling ads to EA?

 

[shooterdon]

If their web site is still accepting orders, that tells you all you need to know about EA and the owner.

 

[rockinbbar]

But once your card was charged and you knew about the "months away shipping date"
and you did not take action to cancel the order you accepted the risk, I would say. You had an opportunity to get it shut down and buy somewhere else but you accepted the risk. You may not agree but you clearly did accept the risk.

At what point do they stop taking money on new orders?

Today? Tomorrow?

There appear to be people ordering as we speak who may not know about what's going on, or they wouldn't place an order.

How do you defend taking people's money currently, with everything that has happened?

 

[two_bit_score]

So are your thinking TBN has some liability for selling ads to EA?

Is it your thinking that just because I asked a question I was suggesting thst. I would do nothing of the kind, Sir. But you never know what a scoundrel plantiff attorney might think up.

 

[Code54]

So are your thinking TBN has some liability for selling ads to EA?

Nope. they have no obligation to check out every company and learn their financial stability before allowing ads on their platform.

 

[two_bit_score]

At what point do they stop taking money on new orders?

Today? Tomorrow?

Personally, I don't really care. But I've seen nothing conclusive that they are.

There appear to be people ordering as we speak who may not know about what's going on, or they wouldn't place an order.

Key words are highlighted in your quote. You evidently don't know for sure any more than I do.

How do you defend taking people's money currently, with everything that has happened?

What gave you the stupid idea that I was defending anything that EA did or is doing? Just because I am not throwing a hissy fit about their alledged financial problems?
If anyone asked me if they should buy an attachment from any company and pay full price up front with the proposition that it may be shipped in 6 months my advice to them would be to find something from a local dealer. But if they are an adult they can do whatever they want with their own money and have nobody to blame but themselves if it goes wrong. That might or might not preclude them from taking legal action depending on the circumstances of the particular transaction.

 

[Chewwy]

Is it your thinking that just because I asked a question I was suggesting thst. I would do nothing of the kind, Sir. But you never know what a scoundrel plantiff attorney might think up.

You asked the question originally so you must have at least considered the issue, hopefully not thinking of TBN.

Let’s hope there are no scoundrel plantiff attorneys on this website.

 

[rockinbbar]

What gave you the stupid idea that I was defending anything that EA did or is doing?

Because that seems to be exactly what you have been doing here for the past several days?

 

[two_bit_score]

Nope. they have no obligation to check out every company and learn their financial stability before allowing ads on their platform.

Im not entirely sure there was "no oblgation". Maybe or maybe not a legal obligation that would expose them to litigation based on a claim of insider knowlege due to their relationship with the seller.

But what if Muhammad had NOT placed the notice on TBN that EA was no longer a preferred seller on this site, etc? How would you feel if you found out after your CC refund remedy expired that he knew all along and didn't say anything?

Would bet 2-1 that you would be ticked off that he didn't say anything. You might have a good reason to be even more ticked off if you found out that there was a law that might apply to times for sellers to deliver goods that have been paid for, or must meet notice requirements and they were in violation and IF he knew they were, since he had been selling them advertising and allowing them to promote to his forum members. (Wonder when EA stopped paying their advertising bill to TBN or if it went in arrears or if it is currently paid up? Just a simple question.)

Do you not think Muhammad would have at least a MORAL obligation to disclose that EA was not delivering and had stopped advertising on the site if that was an indication of problems with ESA that customer/members might need to know? Maybe you would.

I give Muhammad credit for having enough sense and moral decency that he did make somewhat of an effort to alert his customer/members that there was a problem with EA and they might want to do their own due diligence to follow up on their orders.

Again, (for about the 10th time) I hope everything is resolved soon and everyone with transactions pending gets them resolved satisfactorly and EA gets their good name and reputation back and continues to prosper for a long time.

 

[two_bit_score]

You asked the question originally so you must have at least considered the issue, hopefully not thinking of TBN.

Let’s hope there are no scoundrel plantiff attorneys on this website.

I guess I've learned to look at all sides of an issue.

 

[two_bit_score]

Because that seems to be exactly what you have been doing here for the past several days?

There you go jumping to unfounded conclusions because of a lack of logical thinking.

 

[rockinbbar]

There you go jumping to unfounded conclusions because of a lack of logical thinking.

Don't go putting this off on my lack of comprehending what you have been saying here in this thread.

I'm not stupid, and I can clearly comprehend the written word.

Your gaslighting won't work on me and many others who have seen what you post. Don't insult our intelligence by playing the gaslighting card.

 

[two_bit_score]

Don't go putting this off on my lack of comprehending what you have been saying here in this thread.

I'm not stupid, and I can clearly comprehend the written word.

Your gaslighting won't work on me and many others who have seen what you post. Don't insult our intelligence by playing the gaslighting card.

I think that is exactly what you are doing. Do you have an order with EA? Have you collected your money back from your CC company?

 

[Rich_Z]

Oh give me a break, please. Some yahoos here act like everyone just jumped in blindly with both feet, throwing money at EA without doing due diligence before placing their order.

I don't know how anyone else researched the situation, but I watched LOTS of videos, many going back YEARS posted by EA, showing they have been around for quite a long time, and the expectation was they would be around for likely many more. I watched videos of Ted walking through the shop with people being busy little worker bees making more product to sell.

People reviewing EA's products nearly unanimously had high praise for the products showing that THEIR money was well spent. Many also noted that they experienced a delay in shipping after placing the order, so certainly the expectation was that this would be the case NOW.

Of course there are also negative reviews, but I seriously doubt there are many companies with a 100% positive review record anywhere.

Then there was the well known fact of raw materials getting hard to come by, and nearly every industry was experiencing this problem. Most people have recognized this issue and come to expect delays getting some products.

So with all the evidence at my disposal, I saw a reputable company who has been in this for apparently the long haul, selling very desirable and quality products that has a long waiting list of other people who placed orders before mine. All the facts visible pointed to this being "just the way it is" if I also wanted one of these desirable and quality products myself. I took the "pay in full in advance" requirement as pretty much "a LOT of people want these things, so either play along because that is the way we want to do business, or get out of the line."

Yet some people here, who are apparently not in the acquisition phase of their tractoring are chortling about the bad fortune that seems to have befallen people who are stuck between a rock and a hard place with their orders. Slapping themselves on the back, along with the other mongrels running in their pack, thinking it is their brains that saved them from being in the same predicament rather than just pure and plain dumb luck.

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