Tailwheel vs impact gun

   / Tailwheel vs impact gun #51  
I have always subscribed to the notion that you get what you pay for. I live by this when it comes to tools. Although retired now, when I'm hip deep in a D10 final drive, my tool had to work!!

Mac and Snap On are the only guns I used. Never had one fail me as long as I took care of it.

does it count if I say I've never had a failure of an air tool from harbor freight.. yet in many cases I paid a fifth of what a name brand costs?

To be fair.. I use them a fifth of what a pro mechanic would too.. ;)

the 'you get what you pay for' deal has another facet.

the average homeowner who may use an air gun 1/per month.. don't always need a pro gun that has the quality to be used 8hrs a day 40 hrs a week.. nor the cost ;)
 
   / Tailwheel vs impact gun #52  
I'll go out on a limb here and assume you didn't bother to check the context of my post. IE.. if you had some large , non reoccuring jobs that required hp.. etc. my post #36 states this...

IE.. if you have a 2" bolt you need to take out 1 per year.. don't spend 500$ on an IR 1" gun.. get the 100$ hf one.. .. i'd rather have a 100$ tool set 11.9m out of the year than a 500$ tool.

a good small gun is a great addition to any tool kit... it's just on some jobs.. a 3/8 gun ain't gonna do me -any- good at all.

I've drained a 60g air tank trying to get a stuck 5/8 bolt out using a 3/8" gun.. when a 1/2" drive took it out faster.. and a 3/4" drive buzzed it out before I could let go of the trigger.


a 3/8 and probably the average 1/2" gun has proven useless on blade bolts/nuts on my hogs...

You're right, a 3/4" and 1" air gun will provide more power and you can buy a cheap 3/4" gun that will outperform most 1/2" guns. The OP said if he couldn't get his current gun working then he would buy a replacement. I got the impression that he didn't want to spend too much money, that kind of puts the IR guns off the list. To me that means what ever bought must be flexible enough to be used on as many jobs as possible to justify the cost. The gun in your picture is quite large. While it's a great option for removing the bolt on a brush hog blade it could be very cumbersome to do work on a car or truck. I don't think your opinion is wrong and I think it would make a great compliment to his 1/2" gun but since the OP is talking about a replacement not an addition in my opinion that means a more powerful 1/2" gun.
 
   / Tailwheel vs impact gun #53  
if he doesn't want to spend alot.. he's limited to what he will get in powerfull 1/2" guns.. IMHO

that said. i don't think thereis much , if any, need for a 3/4 gun for the average homeowner / person changing oil on his car. etc
 
   / Tailwheel vs impact gun #54  
I'd rather spend a lot now and know I have a good gun then buy a cheap piece of junk and it break and have to buy the good then. Like I said earlier I think the average homeowner can buy with a quality 3/8 gun today. Customers are always commenting how fast it is.
 
   / Tailwheel vs impact gun #55  
The Aircat will set you back $170 with shipping, so no it's not cheap but there's enough information and reviews out there about them, they are sold all over the place, and you can get parts for them. I have never seen or used one but for $100 the Klutch could be a good option. If you have a Northern tool close by I would go look in person and ask about parts. There's Horrible freight's Earthquake and if you have a store close by you can use a 20% off coupon to get it for around $80.
 
   / Tailwheel vs impact gun #57  
does it count if I say I've never had a failure of an air tool from harbor freight.. yet in many cases I paid a fifth of what a name brand costs?

To be fair.. I use them a fifth of what a pro mechanic would too.. ;)

the 'you get what you pay for' deal has another facet.

the average homeowner who may use an air gun 1/per month.. don't always need a pro gun that has the quality to be used 8hrs a day 40 hrs a week.. nor the cost ;)

I Have had two HF air tools go to crap. One was a right angle die grinder. Seems the pot-metal or whatever they use to keep the head attached to the body dont work well. The head comes loose and grinds gears. It can be tightened back down, but does it again. Only gets worse with time until it dont work at all.

Other is the 3/8 air impact. Actually, the gun works fine. But the little snap-ring thing that holds sockets on broke off first day.

But other than that, my drill, straight die grinder, ratchet, cut-off tool, and air-hammer all work just fine.
 
   / Tailwheel vs impact gun #58  
does it count if I say I've never had a failure of an air tool from harbor freight.. yet in many cases I paid a fifth of what a name brand costs?

To be fair.. I use them a fifth of what a pro mechanic would too.. ;)

the 'you get what you pay for' deal has another facet.

the average homeowner who may use an air gun 1/per month.. don't always need a pro gun that has the quality to be used 8hrs a day 40 hrs a week.. nor the cost ;)

I Have had two HF air tools go to crap. One was a right angle die grinder. Seems the pot-metal or whatever they use to keep the head attached to the body dont work well. The head comes loose and grinds gears. It can be tightened back down, but does it again. Only gets worse with time until it dont work at all.

Other is the 3/8 air impact. Actually, the gun works fine. But the little snap-ring thing that holds sockets on broke off first day.

But other than that, my drill, straight die grinder, ratchet, cut-off tool, and air-hammer all work just fine.
 
   / Tailwheel vs impact gun #59  
I'd rather spend a lot now and know I have a good gun then buy a cheap piece of junk and it break and have to buy the good then. Like I said earlier I think the average homeowner can buy with a quality 3/8 gun today. Customers are always commenting how fast it is.
you can of course do whatever you want to do with your $.. but consider this concept.

gun a, brand name, suposed good quality due to name recognition, 500$

gun b, knock off brand, presumed less quality, 100$

situation 1, light homeowner use:

Under light use, both a/b may last a 'lifetime' spinning a couple bolts out a year.

end result.. one gun cost you 400$

situation 2, heavier use



both guns used much more frequently, after 2 years gun b needs replacing, gun a, starting to wear, but still going very well... 2 more years, gun b needs replacing, gun a very much worn. 2 more years, gun a dead, gun b also dead... replace.

where are you at? you have spent 400$ on gun b. every 2 years it's a new gun, thus new performance. You spent 500% on guna, and it steadly wore down to needing replacing. at half time of this event, gun b was brand new. gun a was half way thru usefull life. net result.. you are ahead by 100$


I've done this comparison on MANY types of tools used in a industrial / construction environment.

brush hogs for example. we USED to buy the expensive brand name models that cost 1200$ vs a 550$ king kutter or howse.

what did we find? A car rim on the side of the road, after you hit them a couple times.. don't really care of it is destroying a 1100$ 'bush hog' or a 550$ king kutter. after nearly 2 decades of research.. we ende dup saving money using lower priced hogs. death rate was very similar on machines up to 2x$ price range.

smaller tools? chainsaws? weed whackers? hand tools?

hand tools. a theif can steel a 3$ 1/4" drive ratchet set from harbor freight.. or he can steal a 50$ craftsman one... same amount of time... both have lifetime warranty ;) 1 costs my company more to replace. ( i've also found the theifs don't like to steal the 3$ chinese sockets either.. not something they can go pawn... ).. We've had thefts where the criminal went thru.. left low priced tools and took high priced ones. places that only had low cost tools were not touched. ;) )

when out on a job and I find no other way around welding a 2" socket to the and of a pipe to get down in a hole... i'd rather do so with a socket I can replace for 5$ than one that I have to replace for 35$.

when I need to torch a 1.25" wrench into a stubby to get to a bolt to hold it. or put an S bend in a 1" wrench.. I'd rather do it to one I can repalce for 5$ vs one for 35$

a 175$ poulan chainsaw looks about the same as a 350$ huskie AFTER it has fallen off a tailgate driving down the side of a road doing ROW maintenance... OR after dropping a tree across it. one just eats less of a hole in the job profits.

when they are both running with rent-a-drunks . both have the same approximate lifespans in number of hours used. weed eaters work out the same...

ps.. none of this is made up. This is just looking thru my tool file I've maintained over the past years here at work at a GC....

expensive is nce.

expensive doe not always mean quality.. but generally used to anyway.. expensive does always equal expensive however.

economy does not always equal cheap..


here's another way of looking at it.

If I as a contractor have to put a 2500$ tool set in each one of my service trucks, to set out on the MSTU road job i'm building outside your house... or I can put in 700$ worth of tools... what do you think that does tot he price of that road. which in turn.. what happens to the price of your special assessment tax on your property taxes? I save money.. you save money... there ain't no free lunch.

with todays tool manufactring tech.. many tools pour out of china anyway.. reguardless of who's name is stamped on them. if I can pay 1/4 and get a working tool and save everybody money down the line.... why not ??

btdt, got the greasy sweaty tshirt...

PS.. this isn't 1980 when a cheap pakistan or tiwanese socket set was 10$ and a craftsman was 30-50, and there was a HUGE difference in quality.

this is 2012, and a craftsman wrench for 30$ laying next to a HF wrench for 5$ both have hece en chine engraved on them and both ahve a warranty.. and may have come from the same factory.. and are quite possibly the same level of quality.

different ballgame. maechanics from the earlier part of the last century had a legitimate argument vs against owning a cheap tool.

playing field went thru a major leveling with rise of industrial technology overseas, and us farming out as many jobs as possible. you CAN get a high quality, CHEAPER tool nowadays....
 
   / Tailwheel vs impact gun #60  
My first impact wrench was a half inch Harbor Freight gun that was a CP734 clone (or at least looked like it) with about half the power of a CP734. But it never failed to work and I had it for more than 20 years. I now have a Harbor Freight 3/8" air ratchet and a Harbor Freight angle die grinder. I don't use them a great deal, so they're all I need. I've owned Snap-on, Chicago Pneumatic, and Ingersoll-Rand products in the past. But if one of the high dollar tools needs repairing, you repair it or pay to have it repaired. If a Harbor Freight tool needs repairing, you just replace it. There's certainly nothing wrong with that.
 

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