Threats and toys

[ultrarunner]

Threats happen were I work on a regular basis...

The Hospital leases space to an Occupational Medical Clinic... they do DOT physicals, pre-employment testing and drug tests...

Some of the Drug Test people have made very graphic and violent threats against staff and doctors...

The clinic manager for about 10 years was an old Navy Medic... nothing phased him... really.

After he left it was a string of people holding that position and a big part for the turn over was due to threats... things like I will burn this place down or wait for you after work if you cost me my job...

As far as I know... flat tires and busted windows plus some bomb threats were the extent of how far it went.

There is a law of the street and sadly it seems more are reverting to this kind of threats and behavior.

It did help a lot going to video surveillance in the clinic... actually I think the signs helped the most.

 

[dmccarty]

Pretty much what James said, you will be prepared to deploy if needed and if not just slip it in your back pocket and wait for them to leave.

Personally I don't open the door and sure as heck don't go out to meet someone until I know who it is.

Yep, no need to leave the house to check them out. Leaving the house means giving up cover and concealment. Staying in the house provides a better legal defense if required. Going outside, unless very good reason(s) can be articulated, is not a good idea.

I have watched several people who have come up to our house and never left the house. Most of the time the people are lost and leave.

One time one guy who part on the back of the house and was walking around the back of the house. I watched him to see what he was doing and then opened the door to ask WTF was he doing. He was not up to trouble but he was dumber than a box of rocks.

Another time I had three people drive up. The wife happened to be driving out of the subdivision, saw them and called me to warn me about them. These people where up to no good. I did not leave the house and I did not open the door. Instead I talked to them through a cracked window. They were "selling" cleaning supplies and had a spray bottle with what looked like ammonia or something similar. One spritz of that would have been bad for my eyes. We had a fairly one sided conversation and when I mentioned trespass and the sheriff they left quickly. They were up to no good that is for sure.

By staying in the house, the spray bottle threat was negated, the fact there were three of them was minimized, and if they had tried to do something, they would have had to enter the house which puts them at greater legal risk, minimized my legal risk and put more legal weight behind any action I would have taken. Stay in the house unless there is a VERY compelling reason to leave said house!

Later,
Dan

 

[k0ua]

Yep, no need to leave the house to check them out. Leaving the house means giving up cover and concealment. Staying in the house provides a better legal defense if required. Going outside, unless very good reason(s) can be articulated, is not a good idea.

I have watched several people who have come up to our house and never left the house. Most of the time the people are lost and leave.

One time one guy who part on the back of the house and was walking around the back of the house. I watched him to see what he was doing and then opened the door to ask WTF was he doing. He was not up to trouble but he was dumber than a box of rocks.

Another time I had three people drive up. The wife happened to be driving out of the subdivision, saw them and called me to warn me about them. These people where up to no good. I did not leave the house and I did not open the door. Instead I talked to them through a cracked window. They were "selling" cleaning supplies and had a spray bottle with what looked like ammonia or something similar. One spritz of that would have been bad for my eyes. We had a fairly one sided conversation and when I mentioned trespass and the sheriff they left quickly. They were up to no good that is for sure.

By staying in the house, the spray bottle threat was negated, the fact there were three of them was minimized, and if they had tried to do something, they would have had to enter the house which puts them at greater legal risk, minimized my legal risk and put more legal weight behind any action I would have taken. Stay in the house unless there is a VERY compelling reason to leave said house!

Later,
Dan

Absolutely good advice.. And I have seen this spray bottle thing before.

Also remember if you go out, even with firearm in hand, multiple assailants can flank you, and they will naturally try to do that, but with you inside, that is not so easy to do.

 

[TripleR]

Absolutely good advice.. And I have seen this spray bottle thing before.

Also remember if you go out, even with firearm in hand, multiple assailants can flank you, and they will naturally try to do that, but with you inside, that is not so easy to do.

Yep and no matter how good you are or how many guns you have, once exposed all you can do is react if you make it that long.

 

[TrentonMaple]

Now imagine you have all this happen to you, except you live in (rural upstate) New York state, who's pistol laws are made with the city in mind. You cannot and will not get a permit to carry concealed in most counties of the state. You MAY get a "restricted" permit that allows you to possess said pistol only when hunting, fishing, or target shooting. This usually takes 9-12 months to obtain. You must be fingerprinted, have a background check, and in my county, pay a $125 fee. The staff at the pistol permit office are openly condescending and rude to you (as you are only a peasant) and treat you like a wanna-be SWAT operator. And your permit totally depends on the whims of a judge who has a 10-year term and brings whatever political biases he has into the equation.

 

[dieselcrawler]

Now imagine you have all this happen to you, except you live in (rural upstate) New York state, who's pistol laws are made with the city in mind. You cannot and will not get a permit to carry concealed in most counties of the state. You MAY get a "restricted" permit that allows you to possess said pistol only when hunting, fishing, or target shooting. This usually takes 9-12 months to obtain. You must be fingerprinted, have a background check, and in my county, pay a $125 fee. The staff at the pistol permit office are openly condescending and rude to you (as you are only a peasant) and treat you like a wanna-be SWAT operator. And your permit totally depends on the whims of a judge who has a 10-year term and brings whatever political biases he has into the equation.

Good reason to live in WV. No permit needed to open carry, and recently passed law allows concealed carry as well. A right I excerisize often as I can, where I can.

 

[DT86]

Good reason to live in WV. No permit needed to open carry, ...

I feel the same way about Virginia, lucky to be here. No permit needed for open and reasonable process for concealed.

 

[TripleR]

Now imagine you have all this happen to you, except you live in (rural upstate) New York state, who's pistol laws are made with the city in mind. You cannot and will not get a permit to carry concealed in most counties of the state. You MAY get a "restricted" permit that allows you to possess said pistol only when hunting, fishing, or target shooting. This usually takes 9-12 months to obtain. You must be fingerprinted, have a background check, and in my county, pay a $125 fee. The staff at the pistol permit office are openly condescending and rude to you (as you are only a peasant) and treat you like a wanna-be SWAT operator. And your permit totally depends on the whims of a judge who has a 10-year term and brings whatever political biases he has into the equation.

I'd sure hate that. Until a few years ago, there was no way to carry concealed in my state, but it's always been easy to buy for whatever reason. I can understand not being able to move out of state, but I sure would consider it if it was an option.

 

[mark02tj]

I just saw this from the NRA...

NRA-ILA | Ohio: NICS Compliant Standard Now Recognized for All Valid Ohio Concealed Handgun License Holders

From what I gather, it means that if I buy a firearm from an FFL dealer in OH, I can just show my CCW permit and forego them having to call in the info on the form.

 

[k0ua]

Now imagine you have all this happen to you, except you live in (rural upstate) New York state, who's pistol laws are made with the city in mind. You cannot and will not get a permit to carry concealed in most counties of the state. You MAY get a "restricted" permit that allows you to possess said pistol only when hunting, fishing, or target shooting. This usually takes 9-12 months to obtain. You must be fingerprinted, have a background check, and in my county, pay a $125 fee. The staff at the pistol permit office are openly condescending and rude to you (as you are only a peasant) and treat you like a wanna-be SWAT operator. And your permit totally depends on the whims of a judge who has a 10-year term and brings whatever political biases he has into the equation.

I am sorry to hear that. Of course it is nothing like that here in Missouri. There is no state permit to purchase a handgun. Of course the federal 4473 form will apply if you purchase one. A new law to allow concealed carry for anyone (non felon) to concealed carry without permit just passed. As it is now we have a permit system, but as long as you sit thru the 8 hours of classroom and range test you will receive your permit to carry. It is a must issue state. But if the governor signs the new bill or the legislature overrides his veto then Missouri will join the 11 other constitutional carry states.

Of course there is not permits required to transport or shoot weapons at ranges or while hunting or anything like that. We have always had the old "peaceable journey" law that some other states also have about having a firearm in your automobile being allowed as long as you are on a peaceable journey. What ever the heck that is. I guess if means if you don't cause not chit to happen we ain't gonna bother you.

We also allow anyone that can legally posses a firearm to carry one concealed in their automobile. So bottom line, we don't have much trouble, and we don't cause much trouble.

Do Criminals carry firearms? yep they do. Always did, and always will. Laws are just for the good people.