TL90 or TN95

[jimg]

>>There is a button on the floor of the tractor...
On newer mdls the controls have been relocated to the gear shift knob -- turtle/rabbit buttons

>>I will say this, after using it I have no idea how I managed to live without
>>it
Id love to know that feeling.

Id like to amend what I said earlier. NH has full power shift transmission(s) (I think they call it autoshift, electroshift or something along those lines) which requires no shifting w/i a range or w/i a couple adjacent ranges. The first mdl its available on is the TS. Then theres dual power (partial power shift) which Robert has. This only allows the clutchless hi/lo shift for a particular gear. I think dual power would be great to have!

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Oh, I'm not knocking it by any means. It makes perfect sense, it beats having to grab a lower gear for sure. But all the different names, phrases, etc. I don't remember studying this hard when I was in school. Not to mention having 3 or 4 choices in transmissions to choose from. I man could go insane before he even gets his tractor in the field.

Don't worry Mark, I didn't take your post as a knock against it. I was just trying to clarify how dual power works and was writing my post while you posted your reply.

There are lots of different names and such but it is mostly marketing. This way a dealer can say I have a dynashift or I have a powershift or whatever they want to call it. The trannys are all basically the same but they have different names to use them as selling points. I love the old tractors when you asked "what tranny does it have" you were told "it has an 8x2" and you knew exactly what it was. Now you have to research almost every aspect of these tractors (which is actually a good thing) but it can be confusing. If you are in the market for one I suggest you make notes about particular models and what options and advantages they have. Try to compare apples to apples and if need be put it on a spread sheet where you can easily compare them. This is the easiest way to keep things straight if you are looking to buy a modern tractor and not a color.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

>>There is a button on the floor of the tractor...
On newer mdls the controls have been relocated to the gear shift knob -- turtle/rabbit buttons

>>I will say this, after using it I have no idea how I managed to live without
>>it
Id love to know that feeling.

Id like to amend what I said earlier. NH has full power shift transmission(s) (I think they call it autoshift, electroshift or something along those lines) which requires no shifting w/i a range or w/i a couple adjacent ranges. The first mdl its available on is the TS. Then theres dual power (partial power shift) which Robert has. This only allows the clutchless hi/lo shift for a particular gear. I think dual power would be great to have!

They are great setups. I will say I love my TN with the 8x8 still (wish I had bought the 12x12 but that is ok) but that extra gear just below the gear that the dual power gives you seems to give you the exact gear you need. My 7710 is a 8x4 tranny but with the dual power it becomes a 16x8 and 16 forward speeds is great for just about everything as you can dial the tractor into the ground or crop conditions. I would love to have a power reverser though as shifting to reverse is the only down fall on the 7710 but luckily I am usually going forward

 

[slowzuki]

Its pretty confusing shopping the utility range because of such overlap in tranny options even though they are all gear tractors.

There are four clusters of options that different manufacturers group together in this class:

MAIN CLUTCHES
-dry
-wet hydraulic, manual
-wet hydraulic, electronic

REVERSING GEARS
-manual sync or non-sync (syncro shuttle or crash box)
-Hydraulic operated, no foot clutch, pair of hydraulic clutch packs with modulator valve
-Electronic over hydraulic, no foot clutch, pair of clutch packs with electronic modulating valve and computer control

MAIN GEARS
-Normal sliding type manually accuated
-Normal sliding type, electrical accuated (rare)
-Planetary with hydraulic clutch bands for shifting, electrical controlled, hydraulically or electronically modulated.

AUX RANGE
-planetary gear set, hydraulic or electric over hydraulic activation. (aka dual power or T/A)
-Sync gear set, manual or electric (electric would be swing shift in a Kubota)
-Non-sync gear set, manual (Traditional main range change)

So you can see there are lots of options, a few of these usually come packaged together, but there are always exceptions. I think there are even some others here that I haven't mentioned.

 

[slowzuki]

A JXU is just a TS New Holland with price to match, its not the TD model we're talking about. The JXC I'm not sure about, looks like a fancy cab JX but similar tranny options.

Does the JXC or JXU series not fit what you are looking for?

 

[dgl24087]

I believe the JXC is the TN, the JXU is the TL, and the Maxxum is the TS. The Case IH comparison on it's website matches the tractors that way.

 

[mark.r]

A JXU is just a TS New Holland with price to match, its not the TD model we're talking about. The JXC I'm not sure about, looks like a fancy cab JX but similar tranny options.

Looking at the JXU, it looks much less spec'd than a TS to me . . . even power wise. It seems to me the TS/T6000 would match up with the Maxxum rather than the Maxxima series.

EDIT: Duh, disregard, dgl24087 answered. That's what I get for not refreshing and leaving my browser open.

 

[slowzuki]

Sorry, yes, the confusion is the TS used to extend way down into the TS 80.

The cab was inherited from the 40 series ford's and I always used to try and track which model. The NH TL, TS, 40, and 60 series and the Case JXU all share the same fantastic cab. The trim level inside them varies a bit but all have gobs of room for a jumpseat or to carry your chainsaw in the cab.

 

[mark.r]

Sorry, yes, the confusion is the TS used to extend way down into the TS 80.

The cab was inherited from the 40 series ford's and I always used to try and track which model. The NH TL, TS, 40, and 60 series and the Case JXU all share the same fantastic cab. The trim level inside them varies a bit but all have gobs of room for a jumpseat or to carry your chainsaw in the cab.

My wife has already claimed the jumpseat.

 

[Robert_in_NY]

Sorry, yes, the confusion is the TS used to extend way down into the TS 80.

The cab was inherited from the 40 series ford's and I always used to try and track which model. The NH TL, TS, 40, and 60 series and the Case JXU all share the same fantastic cab. The trim level inside them varies a bit but all have gobs of room for a jumpseat or to carry your chainsaw in the cab.

The TL and TS do not share the same cab. The only similarity between the two are the blue roof and the New Holland emblem.

I am not sure if maybe the old small TS tractors might have shared the same cab as the TL but the TS-A has a much larger and nicer cab.

A lot of people get confused with the New Holland tractor model names but I have never understood the Case-IH letter system