Toyota the most dependable vehicle

[TresCrows]

"What can any of the toyota trucks do that my 3500 can not?
How long will that tundra last pulling 14K lbs trailers at 70 mph"

I don't use a truck for works so I don't care.

What can a Toyota do that your 3500 cannot--OK

1. Climb a boulder field for two miles to look at lava flows.
2. Squeeze between two giant Ponderosa pines on a single path 20 miles into the wilderness.
3. Pick it's way up a dry wash so narrow my wife had her hand on a vertical rock wall and I on the other.--Good thing it did not rain that day.
4. Cross streams and mud holes that would swallow your 3500 to the door handles /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
5. Get 25 plus MPG for a quarter of a million miles.
5.5 Cost under 13,000 new
6. Fit in my garage and leave room for something else.
7. Park in a single parking space as someone else mentioned.
8. Cross desert dunes in 130 degree heat in low range 4X4 with the AC running while clawing it's way through soft dunes
9. Descend a mountain trail so narrow and rough and steep I could hardly walk it and so steep I could not stop the truck --just arrest it's downward speed--in a snow blizzard so thick I could not see but a few feet at best.
10. Never break down, never require a repair, never leave me stranded, never fail to get me home, never do anything but go where I pointed it

Your 3500, my "wimpy (supercharged)" Tundra, whoever's giant whatever could do none of those things--BECAUSE, they are to big, to heavy, to FAT, to wide, to tall, to wide a turning radius, to long, to low, to much overhang and on and on--does that answer your question /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif. Oh, I doubt you could tow a 14,500 lb trailer up any of those trails so I don't care--you like to tow trailers /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif--I like to go places you cannot take your oversized work truck with or without a trailer in tow /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif --now that is a TRUCK by MY definition . J

 

[_RaT_]

Are you talking about your Tundra? IF So...
Your new* Tundra has 225,000 miles and gets 25 mpg?

A. you drive to much.
B. you would be one of the few who would actually take a new 4WD vehicle and scratch and dent it. (if your not scratching and denting it, your not 4WD in my neck of the woods) Even the rich yuppies with their Rovers with Rhino guards know better then that.
C. 25 mpg, are you sure? We max out at 18 mpg, maybe were just using the wrong oil. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

OK OK, we don't get 18mpg, it's more like 17.3mpg, but I rounded up to impress everyone.


* NEW- anything about 4 or 5 years of age to me.

Attached is what TresCrows could expect to be doing to his Super Charged Tundra out here on a trail close to me. This is on the Rubicon Trail. The picture is taken of a well modifyed Toyota Land Cruiser. The Rubicon Trail

 

[DAP]

Ok, 'no match' may be on the rigid side. HOWEVER, a standard bed Taco 4x4, 6cyl with factory supercharger, and factory diff locker is only a few inches longer than a Wrangler.

All other things being equal, the Taco will cross the rocks, climb the hills, scale the crevices just as well as a Wrangler. With a supercharger and a factory air locker thrown in, it IS that much better in my opinion.

I'll concede my notion of the word stock is meant to be 'factory' - thus my comment on the Rubicon which has Dana 44s (I think) in the rear and factory lockers as well.

Now if the Jeep 6cyl in a wrangler chassis has a factory supercharger and air lockers, I stand very corrected.

While the Rubicon is an interesting entry to the off road line, I'll refrain from entering the FJ40 series into this conversation ( A toyota land cruiser in Jeeps clothing, the best of both worlds).

Seen the price of a restored FJ40? Be sitting down.

 

[_RaT_]

He did say SRW. Are Walmart parking lots to small for a full size truck? I have never been to a Walmart.

 

[utahmule]

The chain will be good, but if it is a 22RE or similar, you'll need to check the tensioner guides under the chain cover. They can come apart and it gets nasty from there. The good news is mine didn't happen until about 225,000.

 

[Boone]

Hey, I checked and a stripped down 2004 4x4 Tacoma sells for $16,274 according to Edmunds and Toyota rates it at Manual: 18 mpg / 21 mpg.

 

[RanchMan]

Dap -

<font color="blue">HOWEVER, a standard bed Taco 4x4, 6cyl with factory supercharger, and factory diff locker is only a few inches longer than a Wrangler. </font>

1) The "few inches" is about 30! 184.4" compared to 155.4", or almost 20% longer. (or the Jeep is only about 85% the length of the Toyota - just depends on which way you want to divide the numbers in to one another.) In 4 wheeling, this is more than "a few."

2) "Factory Locker" and "Factory Supercharger". I thought we were talking about comparing the Tacoma with a "Stock" Jeep? (meaning base model) Those are items are not found in a "Stock" (base) Toyota. The to get the locker, you have to get the TRD off-road package, to get the super-charger, you have to have the dealer install it. Yes, both are Toyota products, but neither are part of the "base" package and only one is available from the "factory." Hardly seems like you were establishing a "level playing field."

3) The Rubicon is an upper end model that has both the Dana 44s (strong axle) and factory installed locker like you mention. But I didn't mention it because even though that is available from the factory in this configuration, it is not the "base" model - just like the TRD package. If you want to compare the TRD to the Rubicon, go ahead, since they both come from their respective manufacturing plants that way. Again, it seems to me unfair to try and compare a TRD to a SE - they are in totally different classes ("base" Jeep compared to "Maxed Out" Toyota - with respect to wheeling.)

4) You mention the FJ40. FJ40’s are nice, and yes, I’m well aware that they aren’t cheap. ‘Course they’re kindof hard to find too since they’ve been out of production for a number of years. Are we now comparing vehicles from all years or are we comparing what "Joe Smith" can actually go out and buy from a dealer today?

Toyota makes a "good" product that has respectable off road capabilities. I am not denying that. But to say that it totally outclasses a Jeep is just wrong. I appreciate the "qualifier" of "may be on the rigid side," HOWEVER, you are comparing maximum package WITH dealer installed options from Toyota to the entry level vehicle put out by Jeep. You are making an "apples" to "oranges" comparison. If you want to be fair and say that "word stock is meant to be 'factory' ", then compare the TRD to the Rubicon as they come from the factory or the base Toyota 4x4 regular cab to the SE. Just don’t compare a TRD with a dealer installed supercharger to a SE - it’s not a fair comparison.

In the interest of full disclosure, I own both.

 

[DAP]

Ranch .. I hear ya. I'm also taking into account other factors. A comparison of the TRD and the Rubi might be in order. However, I still standby the Taco as the complete package. You will have a hard time convincing me that the Jeep compares to the Toyo where longevity and reliability is concerned. I have owned a Jeep before and currently have a Taco. Both the CJs and Toyos are small and nimble and ideally suited for off roading and off roading modification. I DO like the solid axels on the CJs more than IFS though. I just see a lot more Tacos push 200k than I do CJs.

 

[RanchMan]

Dap -

I understand. I've never really liked the 4-bangers they put in Jeeps but I like the 4.2/4.0 a lot. It has a good reputation, although I agree, it will most likely need a rebuild before the Toyota. (Although Toyota engines do fail - happened to a buddy of mines Toyota truck at about 130K miles.)

<font color="blue">However, I still standby the Taco as the complete package. </font>

With regards to wheeling comparison, I'd still take the Jeep. As a "complete package" they are just so different, I simply can't say one is "better" than the other. For utility and comfort, the Toy wins in my book. For wheeling and pure out-doors fun, the Jeep wins in my book. For overall dependability, I'd give marks to the Toyota. For modification potential (options/availability of parts) and ease of work by the shadetree mechanic, Jeep is the winner (it's one of the few "simple" vehicles left.) Again, it just depends on what one is looking for and what they put value on.

Again, my only point was about 4wheeling. I like my Tacoma, but I don't love it. There are things I hate about it as a matter of fact (quality of interior plastics, for example.) When it comes to off road, it's good, but not the "Wondercar" everyone is claiming. Overall, it is a solid vehicle. But that being said, so is my Jeep - far less practical and comfortable than my Toyota, probably not the lifespan, but if you look for me on a old mining trail in Colorado with switchbacks and steep grades, you'll find me in my Jeep every time. Simply stated, for me it's a lot more fun.

 

[isucrazy]

Never been to WALLY-WORLD! Smart fella! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Some of the finest examples of FREE-STYLE parking can be seen at most bigger store parking lots around here any time or day. To be fare from the biggest to the littlest vessels are guilty . Im not sure but I suspect those ladies that park their buggies in the middle of the isle ta do their talking. They are convinced that they still weigh 105 lbs. And dont take up any more space than when thay used ta. In reality about 105 lbs. ago this might be true! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I do like my TOYOTAS but I dont knock the rest of em. Did you know that 9 outa 10 fords are still on the road today! The rest ov em made it all the way home! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif Just kidding. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I had a 76 SCOUT 345 auto 4x4 XLC. That was a beast fer sure.