Toyota the most dependable vehicle

TresCrows · Jul 8, 2004

( We did not misread your post, you simply confused us (nothing new there)
Except that you replied to Phreds post in which he was comparing a Tundra to a 3500. That is where the confusion started. Compare a Toyota Tacoma to a full size, why? The categories are so different it would be like me comparing my L 48 to your BX. )

There was a side conversation about a Taco vs Land Rover. J

TresCrows · Jul 8, 2004

( I have been driving Toyotas for years, what first impressed me was the engineering under the hood. No spark plugs trapped, everything easy to get to, etc.
I tried a Chevy S-10, biggest piece of crap I ever owned.
Now I even insist that my Toyotas are made in Japan.

I can't afford to support a bloated auto industry. When America makes a car like my Toyotas, I wil buy one.

And I also firmly believe the American worker can produce a car superior to the Toys, but screwed up management, politics, and greed prevents that from happening. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif )

Wow--your way worse than me.
I just laugh at this anti Toyota and anti Jap stuff. Now it is Tundra Bashing --the vehicle that had the highest crash rating of all 1/2 ton PUs by far. That was not an accident.
Your going to have to have an American made Toyota next because they are going to all be built here. While GM and Ford are moving as fast as possible to build factories in Mexico and Canada and outsource everyhting Toyota is building factories here.
I talked to a fellow the other day that sells robotic equipment to Ford. He told he personally saw people sleeping on the job while being paid 30 dollars an hour or more. That is the UAW, I have no common ground with them and do not support their agenda.
Across the board Toyota makes some fine cars--you guys do not agree but someone does as they are now number 3 and they will soon surpass Ford for number 2. You will see. J

DAP · Jul 8, 2004

Tres ... the MOST interesting thing missing from these auto discussions is:

After WWII, the USofA decided to rebuild the japanese economy (fair is fair since we razed it anyway). Through governement procurement, the Ford Motor Co. sent hundreds of consultants, managers, tool and die, blueprints and managers there to show them how to build cars.

Not only did they pay attention, but they clearly improved on our knowledge base.

Beaten once again at our own game.

Wasn't so long ago that ANY foreign car was taboo here in the US. NOW it's "toyotas are good cars but ..... " blah blah blah.

The blindness is maddening! ~~~~ /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif~~~~~~

MikePA · Jul 8, 2004

The Japanese also listened to this guy, W. Edwards Deming. Since a lot of their industry was destroyed in WWII, they were, in essence, starting from scratch and had little, if any, corporate inertia to overcome.

DAP · Jul 8, 2004

Isn't he the robotics guy? The inventor of the solution to the 3 Ds. His work was determined to replace Dirty, Dumb and Dangerous work with something other than humans.

I did some research on him a long time ago. The upshot was he was at GM and tried to get the movers and shakers to fund his robotics for assembly lines. They told him to get lost. The workers knew he threatened their jobs (a misnomer).

He then went to Japan, and there were literally THOUSANDS of people waiting at the airport for his plane to land.

You're right, they paid attention to him - FIRST. Funny, those robots made it into the union shops later on.

KNotMe · Jul 8, 2004

I think that those working in remote locations where warranty work or non scheduled repair work is out of the question can teach us a few things about reliability. What vehicles does the UN and its agencies use in the Third World?

MikePA · Jul 8, 2004

Isn't he the robotics guy? 
I don't know. The information at the link I posted doesn't mention robotics or GM. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

DAP · Jul 8, 2004

It's called the Hi-lux. Taco's and Land Cruisers by any other name.

See em burning every night in the middle east on the evening news.

BillyP · Jul 8, 2004

I just laugh at this anti Toyota and anti Jap stuff. Now it is Tundra Bashing --the vehicle that had the highest crash rating of all 1/2 ton PUs by far. That was not an accident. 

Bashing? I haven't seen any bashing here. If someone doesn't agree with you, you call it bashing? To each his own and so it will be until the end of time /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

By the way, Toyota builds top notch products but one glove doesn't fit all.

_RaT_ · Jul 8, 2004

Billy, I see it much as you do, some folks are more sensitive when their material identity is challenged. The only bashing I see is calling someone of Japanese decent a "Jap" That is considered derogatory. The coach of Dallas I believe it was just got hammered on it and had to apologize profusely. Just a little heads up.

As one who admits to owning a Ford truck and all the acroynms one can think of to denegrate it, I truly laugh and in fact, often join in.