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   / Trailer choices #71  
Here is the info I got. A 2010 Pilot AWD has a max tow rating of 4,500#. As for NJ here you go.

Maximum Speed Limit: 55
Maximum Dimensions for trailer:35'L x 8'W x 13'6"H
Maximum Length with Trailer:50'
Minimum Weight requiring Separate Trailer Brakes:3,000
Trailer Equipment Requirements:
Safety Chains:Y
Brakelights:Y
Taillights:Y
Clearance Lights:N/A
License Light:Y
Turn Signals:Y
Reflectors:Y
Flares:N/A
Breakaway Brakes:Y
Tiedowns:N/A
Two Trailers:N
Insurance:N
Wide Trailer Permit Phone Number: 609-633-9403 Agnt: 800-257-9003

Basically what its saying for NJ is you need brakes on any trailer over 3,000# and a brake-away kit along with the standard lights, safety chain, ect.

As for brakes or not brakes you must have them in your state. I sell trialers for a part time job and deal with this all the time. If you were to have a accident and you were towing over 3,000# (trailer plus cargo) your insurance company is going to run from you and leave you hanging. On top of that you would get a citation for no brakes. Its the law that any trailer over 3,000# must have brakes in NJ. Plain and simple.

As for saving money its will not. It will wear out the brakes on that little Pilot ASAP and you will be spending it one way or another.


Chris

That is almost too funny in parts that I am looking at. Can you imagine a Pilot pulling a 35 foot trailer? That would be more than twice the siize of the tow vehicle.

But on a more serious side, does/can breakaway brakes exist on a trailer with out a braking system? I mean doesn't the brake away brakes require regular trailer brakes to work? Or can one live without the other? This is a serious question, I am trying to educate myself, so I am not trying to be sarcastic in the least.
 
   / Trailer choices #72  
That is almost too funny in parts that I am looking at. Can you imagine a Pilot pulling a 35 foot trailer? That would be more than twice the siize of the tow vehicle.

But on a more serious side, does/can breakaway brakes exist on a trailer with out a braking system? I mean doesn't the brake away brakes require regular trailer brakes to work? Or can one live without the other? This is a serious question, I am trying to educate myself, so I am not trying to be sarcastic in the least.

For trailer brakes there are 4 types. Only 2 types are even a consideration on the type of trailer you are looking at due to you tow vehicle. They are Surge and electric.

Surge brakes are hydraulic and are completely contained on the trailer. They are commonly found on boat trailers and rental trailers. The modern surge brakes being, Disc Brakes, are very effective but will add about $1000 to the cost of a trailer. The older type are drum and can be had for about $750.

The most common type for a utility trailer are electric. They are always drums. We can only hope they will develop a disc electric brake someday. They cost about $200 per axle and you will need a controller, about $125, and the associated wiring on your vehicle, about $100. Most modern Explorer sized SUV's and up are pre-wired along with all 1/2 ton trucks and up. Not common in your size SUV. So as you can see the cost for most is about $325 to set up a trailer and tow vehicle for using electric brakes.

The other two types are air and electric over hydraulic. These are commonly found on larger trailers 20,000# and up. Not a concern for your application.

The brake-away system is simple. The law states it must apply full braking for 15 minutes, that's it. It is a system that can be added to any brake system with the proper parts. Its not required in all states but in NJ it is on any trailer requiring brakes. Thats trailers over 3,000#.

On a electric brake system if the trailer becomes disconnected it activates a switch that applies voltage directly to the trailers brakes via a small on-board battery. This battery will last for 5 years or so and cost about $25. It holds the brakes until the battery goes dead.

On a surge system if the trailer becomes disconnected it pulls a lever which simulates brake activation and applies hydraulic pressure to the brakes. It will hold indefinitely until reset.

I know we all want to save money but think of your investment? You have the SUV, trailer, tractor, your life, ect.

Chris
 
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   / Trailer choices #73  
Diamondpilot has provided the most relevant info thus far. Your only option sans brakes is an all aluminum single axle 2990 GVRW trailer which, coincidentally:), falls under the 3,000# brake limit. Either way the price just went up. In another week you'll be inquiring about trading in your Honda for a new f-450 vehicle which of course opens another can of worms, can you imagine how stupid you'd look hauling a piddly 14 foot trailer with that.
 
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#74  
Actually all these trailers with 2990 are only rated that way to get past the brakes issue but they are actually 3500lbs.
 
   / Trailer choices #75  
As long as you stay under the GVWR of the trailer there's a built-in margin of safety. I don't think it you can legally be under the GVWR with a steel trailer with your gear but it can be easily be done with an aluminum which typically will have a tare weight between 500 and 650 pounds depending on manufacturer. I find it difficult ascertaining tare weights for steel trailers, for some reason it doesn't appear to be the norm for those weights to be advertised.
 
   / Trailer choices #76  
Lets do a little math here, I will round the numbers up just for fun.
- 1260 - is the tractor weight
- 250 - mowing deck with mulch kit
- ???? - Loader

I can't find the loader weight anywhere. Maybe some of you guys have a manual with that info can jump in.

We now have 1510 lbs plus loader weight. Just as a guess lets say the loader weight is 490 lbs.The tractor as equipped is now 2000 lbs (+/-).

Most 6X12 Landscape trailers with a ramp/gate will come in at 1000 lbs. or less. So it would actually come down to the trailer(and options) thats chosen to keep the gross weight at 3000 lbs.

BTW the brakes on a Pilot are almost identical to an F150.

Lets do a cost analysis for a trailer that will be used twice a year.
-$1100 - 6X12 single axel

-$2100 - 6X14/16 tandem with brakes.
+ $200 - For brake controller and wiring.
$2300 total cost

:)But wait a minute!:)
Now we have to add in the super duty diesel dually to pull the tandem trailer.
$2300 trailer
+$40,000 new truck
$43,000 for whole package

:)But wait a minute:)
Now we have to add a Featherlite goose neck to the big truck combo.
- $43,000
+ $9,000
- $52,000 Total

This can keep going on and on and on.:laughing::laughing:

Don't anyone get upset I just having a little fun
 
   / Trailer choices #77  
Go with at least a 12' tandem axle trailer w/ brakes. I just purchased a new 14' and its none too long to haul my B7500 w/ loader. It would just fit on a 12' with no attachments, but I wouldn't have any wiggle room to balance the load properly and keep from having too much weight on the tongue or to prevent lifting the bumper. I use to haul it with a 16' deckover tandem without brakes and I'll never go back to no brakes. You really have to anticipate your stops! I haul mine with a full size, extra cab 1500 series Chevy pickup and I wouldn't want to haul with anything much lighter, but I guess it depends how far you want to take it. I would be a little concerned about your tow vehicle. Is it even rated for 2" receiver class III type hitch? Good luck whatever you go with!
Teach
 
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   / Trailer choices
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#78  
Yes, it has a factory installed hitch with 2" receiver.

I think I am targetting the 14' or 12' if it is an exceptional deal.
 
   / Trailer choices #79  
Diamondpilot has provided the most relevant info thus far. Your only option sans brakes is an all aluminum single axle 2990 GVRW trailer which, coincidentally:), falls under the 3,000# brake limit. Either way the price just went up. In another week you'll be inquiring about trading in your Honda for a new f-450 vehicle which of course opens another can of worms, can you imagine how stupid you'd look hauling a piddly 14 foot trailer with that.
So only one person actually had anything good to say? Granted DisamonPilot is right on, but I think pretty much everyone was saying the same thing. :confused: Why would you buy a Ford?:confused: The comments given by others have been focused on safety and within the law.
Actually all these trailers with 2990 are only rated that way to get past the brakes issue but they are actually 3500lbs.
The insurance companies and law enforcement will not see it that way.
 
   / Trailer choices #80  
So only one person actually had anything good to say? Granted DisamonPilot is right on, but I think pretty much everyone was saying the same thing. :confused: Why would you buy a Ford?:confused: The comments given by others have been focused on safety and within the law.

What I meant was that he provided objective factual information regarding the requirements of brakes in NJ. Most everything else posted has been purely ones personal opinion.

Why would I buy a Ford?? In reality I wouldn't, it was hyperbole.
 

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