Truck Restoration

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I was on my creeper checking on the underside of the truck and was really impressed with how the body shop finished out the inside of the frame and bed. I had not expected them (and had not told them) to paint the inside frame rails and the bottom of the bed. Since this was not a body-off restoration I just wanted the outside to look good. They had painted the undersides of the fuel tanks, air tank and just about everything they could reach. They had evidently sandblasted the inside frame rails and bed as everything was smooth and no sign of painting over flaking paint.

I've also been installing Dynamat on the inside of the cab roof. I plan to put some inside the doors and under the floor mat.
 

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One of the requirements I specified when I had the truck painted was that PPG paint was to be used. I am a member of the American Truck Historical Society American Truck Historical Society and PPG is a sponsor. PPG also has an ad program where they feature trucks that have been restored using PPG paints. When the truck was finished back in July, I sent photos of the finished truck to ATHS headquarters and they forwarded them on to PPG. About a month ago I was notified by the ad agency that PPG uses that my truck had been selected for their new ad campaign. The ad will appear in the January/February issue of the ATHS magazine Wheels of Time. Red should show up well in the ad.
 
/ Truck Restoration #64  
Congratulations. Keep us posted and maybe a link to the photos they publish.

Chris
 
/ Truck Restoration #65  
That's exciting news. Congrats!!

Any chance of seeing some of the finished pictures of the truck?

Eddie
 
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Here's a short video of the '57 White WC 22 PLT that I'm also working on. I hope to get it in the bodyshop next summer for the same treatment I gave the '59. YouTube - 1957 White WC 22 PLT
 
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It's a Super Power White 250A Mustang engine, 386 ci, 6 cylinder flathead, split exhaust manifolds, Holley carb, 145hp, 328 lb/ft torque.
 
/ Truck Restoration #70  
Ah, ...WOW ..Jesse,....beautiful job and you really lucked out on the body shop, just fantastic!! I came across this thread today and read it right through as I too am an old fan of the '50's Whites.

I don't see any mention of the model, but it sure looks like a WB-28 to me as I drove them back in the 50's. We used to plow snow with a full rigged WB-28 with a dump body full of sand for ballast.

We also had the slightly smaller WC-22 with fifth-wheel for a float tractor and both were great trucks. That particular "red" is perfect. Labatt's Beer Company had a fleet of tractor trailers with the fancy "Cab-Forward" (not cab-over) and it was quite "round" and the semi trailer was rounded out in a goose-neck style and they all matched up something very beautiful!! (Seems to me that Labatt's also had some complete units painted "gold"?)(Correct me if my memory has tricked me!)

But my question was going to be in regard to Cab-construction. Yours of the '59 vintage appears to be all steel. Trying to think back all those years but I believe the models I'm familiar with were 1952, . . and the cab construction was "wood". Yes a nice quality "oak",..good hardwood and some of the most beautiful dovetail fitting you'd ever hope to see. Twas like the shop carpenters were really super-proud of their work, (strange for an assembly line cab), especially when the woodwork was to be covered and hidden in the body metal! Just thought of the rear cab window. It was very small and in the shape of a half-moon with the flat or straight on the bottom. It was all the rear window you needed because when you turned to peek over your shoulder, that little window was perfectly placed.

But I wondered if you happen to know when they stopped using the wood. I should add that the doors were also framed in wood and covered in body metal. The door handle hardware was really not unlike the door handle hardware in your house doors. (That is, if you happen to have the solid doors)
Yes wood with little steel striker plates etc.

And yes, I remember well the thickness of such as the fenders. Very similar to the heavy metal fenders (and body) on WWII army trucks. You could, (if you had a mind to?) bounce a heavy ballpeen hammer off one of those fenders and hardly dent it. (certainly you'd mark it, but not much,..honestly). Trucks were built to last in those days,...not like todays beautiful but plastic jobs!

If you could find some of those old Whites and Macks, Binders, Jimmys, Reo',s and such as the Diamond-T's and yes even those beautiful old Brockways that looked like overgrown Model-A's etc from the 50's era and some of the 1940's KB-14 Internationals(Binders), the big FWD with Buda Diesels, Oshkosh, Walters and as somebody else mentioned, the Mack B-61 Thermodyne diesels from that era, and geeeze all the ones that slip my mind they all had fenders (in particular) and other body work that might have been close to 3/8th or not likely 1/4 inch but when you wrapped your knuckles on 'em, you'd think so!! The Dodge Power-Wagons during the war may have infact, had 1/4 inch fenders? Can't swear to it.

Oh yes the mirrors. Sad, sad things they were. A little 3 or 4 inch dia. round mirror that sat on the end of a long, (tescoping) single arm. After the rust got to the little bolt that held it way out there, they generally just flopped and hung in a useless fashion, totally frustrating especially trying to back a trailer into a tight spot. West-coasters are heaven today!

. . . OH Good grief,...sorry bout that,..didn't mean to be lengthy again, I really got carried away in fond memory when I just wanted to compliment you on a beautiful job and ask about the wood?
Can't wait to see your completion! Great job man !!!! (Sorry for this!)

CHEERS !
. . tug
 
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Thanks for the compliments Tug! I have to give most of the credit to the bodyshop. I don't have the equipment to do the job they did.

The '57 is a WC 22 PLT. It originally was a tractor like the '59 4400 TD but the fifth wheel has been removed. I'll probably install a flatbed on it in the future.

The '59 4400 TD is the same size as the WC 28 but a newer, updated model.

White introduced the WA models in the early '40's. The cabs were wood framed with steel skin. The WB models came out in the late '40's and were framed with wood like the WA models. The WB's can be distinguished from the WA from the raised cover over the cowl vent.
The WC models came out in the early '50's. They were all steel cabs. The easy way to tell the WC models is that they have vent windows in the doors. The WC cab was used on White trucks until about '66. These narrow cabs were also called a Coupe Cab. White also used a wider cab on some models that was designed by Autocar.
 
/ Truck Restoration #72  
I just saw this post. Nice looking trucks ! I bought a 49 Dodge dump truck that has been stored inside for 43 yrs. All windows are intact and not broken. I was hoping to restore it but now I have some health issues and decided I just dont have the time. Where could I go to for someone who may be interested in this type of a truck? I also have at work a 62 Mack that would be good for some parts if someone was restoreing one. Any help would be appreciated Thanks V
 
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Jesse, . . thank you for the interesting information. Thought I knew more than I did, . . but thanks to you, I now know much more. I was always amazed and "pleased" that they continued with the wooden cabs as long as they did. Just noticed Big Red's rad-shutters look to be hooked up and working.

Of course I never ever did it, but used to "think" seriously about acquiring an old White wooden cab, stripping off the skin and just sanding and varnishing that wondrous workmanship of beautifully fitted and finished oak. Never figured out just "what" I'd do with the finished product,...other than having such a piece of true "ARTwork" sitting in the corner of my livingroom to admire!!

I have spent the past couple of hours watching your "YouTubes" over and over and over and studying all your photos, . . and of course "listening" to the music of those lovely old engines!

I promise not to drag this post out, . . but "music" that still echos in my head from bygone days is: trucks such as, and in particular I'm recalling the 1952 FWD with the big Buda Diesel. She had not much more than 2 feet of about 4 or 5 inch dia. exhaust, . . directly from the manifold straight up through the centre of the long hood,...NO muffler!

A hand operated "ether pump" on the dash into which you shoved about 3 or 4 "cherry-bombs",...then right toe on the starter, heel on the accelerator and start pumping cherries while cranking!

That Buda reminded you of a DC-3 engine as it coughed and farted and finally caught, . . . the black coal shoved the big rain-cap to vertical and as the coal turned clear the sweetest (and loudest) music brought an ear to ear grin that wouldn't quit!!!!!

"FWD" was the name of the truck and the cabs were wide, I stand 6'-5" and could slee-, er, ah lay across the seats and just barely touch either door!!

OH Jesse, I know it's not "quite" related, but after reading this thread and studying your photos till way past the wee hours last night, (s'mornin) I finally drifted off with a smile thinking of those Whites, (yours and mine) and the music created by them and a never-forgotten FWD,...and just had to get that off my chest today.

THANKS Jesse, . . for the memories and your accomplishments,..an old man is happy and smiling today!!!! ...and promises not to bug you further! (unless I think of something else), . . . Nope, just kidding,..OH-oh, broke my promise, so: ..tugboat-2 is off and clear!

CHEERS !
. . tug . . .. I'm OUT !
 
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Tugboat,

I've taken both trucks to several antique tractor shows and I'm always surprised how much interest people have in them. All you have to do is crank one up and it draws people like a magnet.
When Dad was driving the '59 back in the early '60's he had a mirror on top of the driver's side mirror to watch the stack. When that 220 Cummins was working hard there would be a foot of flame coming out of the stack. Quite a site to an 8 year old boy.

You really need to join American Truck Historical Society if you enjoy vintage trucks. They publish an excellent bi-monthly magazine full of photos and articles on veteran trucks and the people who drove them. Also have a great classified section where you can find any number of classic trucks.
 
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Jesse,..I break another promise to tell you I just now joined ATHS (Canada)

CHEERS!
. . tug,.....OUT!
 
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Now you need to join in the discussion forums on the ATHS website! There's several members from Canada.
 
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I don't know him personally but I know several people who do. I understand he has quite a collection of trucks.
 
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I was reading about the truck used in "Duel" with Dennis Weaver. It had a mirror on the hood. The explanation was that it was for looking at the exhaust. The driver would adjust throttle, or change gears, partly by the smoke/exhaust they saw. Apparently, it was before all the gauges and stuff they have now; if the exhaust was not right, then good chance you were toasting your rings.

When Dad was driving the '59 back in the early '60's he had a mirror on top of the driver's side mirror to watch the stack. When that 220 Cummins was working hard there would be a foot of flame coming out of the stack. Quite a site to an 8 year old boy.
 

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