ULSD and Power Service - question

HGM · Dec 6, 2006

KICK said:
no it aint. a manufacturer can go forward, but cant go backwards when it comes to certification.

the Manufactuers wish it were a loophole.

when you call it an 07, they treat the whole thing as an 07, not just the body.

when it comes to auto emission equipment, its dead serious stuff and piles of money get spent validating equipment to meet those EPA specs.

I work on city transit buses, we cant even repower an old bus without upgrading to the newer engine that is certified to cleaner emissions. cant put back in what we had, its gotta be cleaner.

some of the heavy duty manufacturers, like Cummins didn't have to comply as soon as others because they earned EPA credits in the past, but everybody has to pass the 07 tests for their particular application.

OK............

Take a look at this link and tell me what engines are available for the '07 3/4ton truck.. Then, tell me it meets '07 emission requirements..

I dont mean to be combative, I'm just correcting a false statement.. There are loopholes and credits.. I guess it could possibly be that credits are used to avoid the emission requirements(for a time), but the fact is it happens..

KICK · Dec 6, 2006

where on Fords link does it say that their 07 Diesel trucks don't meet 07 emissions.???

KICK · Dec 6, 2006

try this one...it says it meets 50 state emissions. I dont know what else to say.

https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/2007fleetshowroom/2007-F350sd.asp

HGM · Dec 7, 2006

Thats my point... The 6.0L is not '07 emission compliant, but it does pass in the configuration they have put it in. In an '07 truck! There is no difference between it and an '06 6.0L .. I dont know how else to prove it to you. The 6.4 is coming in January because of this fact..Its my job man, I know there is a loophole, I just cant give it to you to prove it...

Now, in all fairness, I also know that you would have different standards to meet in comercial fleets. Even programing a PCM for a medium or heavy duty truck is more controled than we have it on light duties.. I dont, for a miniute, doubt what you say for a fleet, or bus.. Just for light duty applications, its different..

Marcussen · Dec 7, 2006

They have to meet the regulations in effect fot the year of manufacture, if they are made in 2006 that's the standards they have to meet, in January they have to change.

KICK · Dec 7, 2006

HGM said:
Thats my point... The 6.0L is not '07 emission compliant, but it does pass in the configuration they have put it in. In an '07 truck! There is no difference between it and an '06 6.0L .. .

???????

rback33 · Dec 7, 2006

One more comment I would like to add is that while Ford lists the 07 Diesel, that does not in anyway confirm they will be BUILDING them anytime soon. Not saying I am right or wrong, but it is a possibility in my book.

HGM · Dec 7, 2006

rback33 said:
One more comment I would like to add is that while Ford lists the 07 Diesel, that does not in anyway confirm they will be BUILDING them anytime soon. Not saying I am right or wrong, but it is a possibility in my book.

They should be on the lots..

rback33 · Dec 7, 2006

HGM said:
They should be on the lots..

Are they? I do not know. I just bought a new(2 me) pickup last summer, so I have not been by any lots for months.... just making some inferences from things Ford has done in the past. The pickup I sold happened to be a 94 1/2 with the Powerstroke. The mustang originally came out mid-model year as well. There is no such thing as a 98 Superduty. It's either a 97 or 99. Not 100% apples to apples here, but proof that you cannot guarantee that ALL changes on models occurs with the introduction of the new model year. Again, this is just food for thought. I have no clue what is out there and what is not.

HGM · Dec 7, 2006

rback33 said:
Are they? I do not know. I just bought a new(2 me) pickup last summer, so I have not been by any lots for months.... just making some inferences from things Ford has done in the past. The pickup I sold happened to be a 94 1/2 with the Powerstroke. The mustang originally came out mid-model year as well. There is no such thing as a 98 Superduty. It's either a 97 or 99. Not 100% apples to apples here, but proof that you cannot guarantee that ALL changes on models occurs with the introduction of the new model year. Again, this is just food for thought. I have no clue what is out there and what is not.

Yes, you are absoloutely correct about the '98..

As for the rest of the topic..(not directed to rback33)
Honestly, the discussion has become silly.. If there is a doubt, whoever is interested should call the dealer...I'm out of replies, I have nothing to prove, you can simply believe what I say or not..