ULSD and Power Service - question

[cp1969]

I can see and agree with point -a, but -b? Seriously??? Why wouldnt you hear of more guy running it in their tractors if its a good idea? I really dont know anything about that idea.. It is interesting though.. What about cetane rating and BTU's? Does it compare?

Yes, seriously on b.)--there is no point in mandating ULSD to clean up the exhaust of diesels if people can continue to burn unknown-composition waste oils in them. That is why the additive makers have to comply with the 15ppm sulfur rule now, too.

I'm sure a diesel will run on atf. If they run on WVO, I would think any kind of petro oil would be a treat for a diesel but emissions may be extraordinarily high, cetane at who-knows-what level, and although ATF is generally thought of as a lubricant, it may not be all that good at lubricating a diesel injection system, I don't know. I don't have any evidence to support this, but I think cold-weather starts would be tough. OTOH, I don't think gelling wouldn't be a problem.

Even if I could get waste ATF for free, I think I would pass, and not just to be in compliance with the law.

 

[HGM]

Even if I could get waste ATF for free, I think I would pass, and not just to be in compliance with the law.

My feelings too, but you threw me with the coment that it was low on sulfer too..

 

[kevinj]

When you pull into the station, always search for the pump with the GREEN handle on it, never use the pump that is RED or YELLOW. Remember, GREEN means GO, the other colors DON'T GO.

This simple intuitive color coordinated method based on simple photons of visual light spectra has worked great for me throughout many decades of happy diesel motoring!

Be careful at a BP, at least here in Michigan. The regular unleaded nozzles are green just like the diesel. One of our guys put some gas into our diesel because he did not pay attention. The pump had a green on each end and one of them was gas.

 

[cp1969]

Be careful at a BP, at least here in Michigan. The regular unleaded nozzles are green just like the diesel. One of our guys put some gas into our diesel because he did not pay attention. The pump had a green on each end and one of them was gas.

Same around here...BP must have gotten a discount on green nozzles.

HGM, I'm not sure what comment threw you...the one about additives having to comply with <15ppm sulfur? If so, I believe I read that that's the law...anything that goes in the tank of road vehicles must be same or less sulfur than ULSD.

 

[HGM]

Same around here...BP must have gotten a discount on green nozzles.

HGM, I'm not sure what comment threw you...the one about additives having to comply with <15ppm sulfur? If so, I believe I read that that's the law...anything that goes in the tank of road vehicles must be same or less sulfur than ULSD.

I understand that.But,the thing that got me was

b.)ATF is as sulfur and pollution-free as ULSD.

ATF doesnt belong in the tank, so I didnt see the relation to why it would be as low or lower in sulfer than ULSD.

 

[DieselPower]

Will a diesel engine run on ATF. Sure, older ones will for a little while. Do yourself a favor if you want your engine to last more than a couple of day's. Don't try to run your engine on ATF. The engine and the enviroment will thank you.

 

[gemini5362]

Keep on reading.....


ULSD immediately lowers SOx (Sulfur Oxide species) emissions 95% in ALL diesel engines, new and old.

ULSD immediately lowers <5um particulates by 95% in all diesel engines, new and old.

ULSD immediately lowers Soot by 95% in all diesel engines, new and old.

ULSD also immediately lowers PNAs (PolyNuclearAromatics) by greater than 80% in all diesels, new and old.

Wow if ULSD does that all by itself then why would they need to add all these Expensive Exhaust Emission Controls.

When GM brought out their model line in the fall of the previous year you could buy a GM pickup with a diesel engine in it for several years now. This year in the fall of 2006 when GM introduced their new model lines although they introduced a new body style with an improved frame etc etc a diesel engine was not one of the options (other than the classic which is basically a 2006 pickup) When I inquired when Diesels would be available I was told not until some time in 2007 and probably in the fall with the 2008 model line. Why do you think that there is a delay this year ?

 

[gemini5362]

Here's a good contemporary question about the recent change over to ULSD:

If you do not know what ULSD is and you put some of it in your fuel tank, will your tractor, truck, dozer, generator, etc. still run or will it die?

Remember, ignorance is bliss.....

Remember He who does not learn the lessons of history is doomed to repeat it.

1. Contemporary comparison. If you put unleaded gasoline in an older car with an engine designed to run on leaded gasoline Pretty soon it will die and you will be either replacing heads or having some machine work done on them to modify them for unleaded gasoline.

2. Historical Comparison : Thousands of people bought the old GM 350 gasoline block which was converted to a diesel engine. The first time they knew they had problems was when it was in the shop getting fixed over and over or they read about it in the news after the Class Action Suit became public. The one place most people did not learn about it from was GM until they were forced by the courts to do something about the problem.

3. The list price on my 2006 silverado was 48,000.00 and some change that is a lot of money for something that might be affected by a new diesel fuel standard. I would not be as concerned if when I bought it and they were introducing me to the maintenance manager (and setting up web site information about my maintenance etc ) someone would have mentioned that there was a new diesel fuel standard for sulfur coming out in a couple of months and it wont affect your truck any. Instead they kept very quiet about the subject and did not mention it at all. So I am a tad bit aprehensive about the silence see #2 above.

 

[HGM]

Wow if ULSD does that all by itself then why would they need to add all these Expensive Exhaust Emission Controls.

When GM brought out their model line in the fall of the previous year you could buy a GM pickup with a diesel engine in it for several years now. This year in the fall of 2006 when GM introduced their new model lines although they introduced a new body style with an improved frame etc etc a diesel engine was not one of the options (other than the classic which is basically a 2006 pickup) When I inquired when Diesels would be available I was told not until some time in 2007 and probably in the fall with the 2008 model line. Why do you think that there is a delay this year ?

Deja Vu????

Havent we already covered that?


Anyhow, DP,

Will a diesel engine run on ATF. Sure, older ones will for a little while. Do yourself a favor if you want your engine to last more than a couple of day's. Don't try to run your engine on ATF. The engine and the enviroment will thank you.

I completely respect and still agree with that train of thought(opinion).. I was just fishing for anyone actually doing it to see what there personal experience is.. Just recently I have heard of several people running ATF in late model trucks with no problems.. Logicaly,and fundamentaly, I have a problem with that.. I just have no experience to contradict it..

 

[cp1969]

I understand that.But,the thing that got me was

ATF doesnt belong in the tank, so I didnt see the relation to why it would be as low or lower in sulfer than ULSD.

Sorry, my grammar is lousy.

Part "b" was the second of two things the owner of the tank full of ATF would have to prove:

a.) He would have to prove that highway taxes have been paid, and

b.) He would also have to prove that ATF is as low in sulfur as ULSD.

I didn't think I said that ATF is lower than ULSD as far a sulfur goes because I haven't got a clue as to what the composition of ATF may be. I can see how my paragraph could be read that way, though.