Unhooking pto with engine off?

[fixit]

Sound guy your last statment. Try and be carefull about the rest sums it up really

So just to be carefull i turn off the engine not just for to pto issue im about to climb in between 2 large bits of heavy machinery and couple it together if the key is in my pocket then the chance of getting hurt is less

Im not on the side of the safety police but i like to feel in control of what is happening around me it is just what you feel safe with isnt it:thumbsup:

I guess the more you use a machine the less likely you are to turn it off because it doesn't start on its own does it

but it could just like all your other examples:laughing:


Ps i don't think it turned off the angle grinder last time a changed the disc but then i do about 10 or so most days i never use to key either just tighten it up with the spindle lock in and pull on the disc and to remove i just give the edge of the disc a bump with the flat of my gloved hand with the spindle lock in. See were im going here the more you do it the safer it seems to be

Nothing like being complacent is there :confused2:

Cheers Chris

 

[RaydaKub]

See were im going here the more you do it the safer it seems to be.

You know, to a certain extent, that really is a true statement. It's the opposite side of the coin. When you first get the equipment, you are unfamiliar with it and how things can go together. You can make some mistakes in how it hooks up just because you don't realize that a certain order can make it more dangerous. Once you've done it 2 or 3 times, you avoid the silly practices and do it right; the safe(r) way. Of course, then on time 379, there is something unexpected and an accident happens.

I guess my recommendation is that someone teach you how the first 2 times, then trade the equipment off some time before attempt #378. :laughing::laughing:

 

[Soundguy]

yep.. it's all personal comfort level. I personally unplug my grinder to change the wheel, but think nothing about hooking up the stationary pto shaft of my running tractor.

( I actually don't un plug it. I have 3 quad boxes or power at my work bench, with 1 hot all the time, and 2 on switched circuits.. so all I do is hit the switch to kill the quad ).. therein is an issue too.. what if the switch fails

i don't begrudge anyone wanting to be more or less safe.. just be prepaired for the consequences to yourself ( or others )what you do when being more or less safe.

I'm a big rops preacher on some threads.. not their use.. but their modification. 90% of my tractors don't have rops.. no biggie.. but I'd rather run with NO rops.. than run with a modified rops. the modified rops may give me a false sense of comfort i am safe.. but that weld or series of drill holes i put in it may fail when it shouldn't have. thus, me, personally, Ilike a un modified rops.. or no rops. at least I know my chances either way..

soundguy

 

[JHTFarmer]

Soundguy, someone might make the same argument for cleaning loaded handguns. "It's a dangerous world guys, but I know what I'm doing."

Please give me one good reason to attach or detach a PTO implement with the engine running. "real men leave the engine running" isn't that reason.

 

[TripleR]

Agreed, we can't and most of us wouldn't want to live in a totally "safe" world, but we can eliminate some of those risks. Just because we can't eliminate them all does not mean we shouldn't eliminate as many as possible and still allow us to operate in and enjoy our usual environment.

While it can be argued that the risk of injury from hooking up a PTO while the engine is running is small, it is non existent when the engine is not running.

We all must determine for ourselves what risk level with which we are comfortable.

 

[Soundguy]

Soundguy, someone might make the same argument for cleaning loaded handguns. "It's a dangerous world guys, but I know what I'm doing."

Please give me one good reason to attach or detach a PTO implement with the engine running. "real men leave the engine running" isn't that reason.

any good one.. Hm..

Ok.. my tractor battery is dead.. but the engine is running, if I shut her off to disconnect the pto shaft and drop the mower ( drag harrow or whatever cumbersome implement I have on there.. huge disc.. etc.. etc.. ) at the farm property, I have to walk 8m home to go get my truck and then drive back over, jump start the tractor and / or take tools with me to fix the charge system, then drive back home and walk 8m back to the tractor to bring it home, unless I also bring the trailer as long as it's free and not being used for something else.

could substitute 'starter died' in that same mythical story and pretty much accomplish the same thing.. except it would be even harder to get the tractor home then...

I'd say 'broke key off in ignition'.. but that ones a non starter for me.. too easy to hotwire a tractor to let loss of a key be an issue..... COULD be an issue for someone who don't know how to hotwire a tractor though.

there's your -non- 'real men leave it running' reason..


soundguy

 

[JHTFarmer]

8 miles is a long walk with a mangled extremity. Oh that's right. Wouldn't have to walk cause you didn't turn the tractor off. Still gonna look silly waving at passers by with your bloody stump.

The correct lesson for young folk is that if your equipment is in disrepair, fix it first and don't take the risk. Some things are worth putting your life at risk. Post hole digging, grass cutting, and bush hogging aren't on that list fellas.

I'd rather hear someone argue that we leave chainsaws running when switching out chains. The risk is less. Might lose a few fingers. A PTO can flat out kill you and leave a heaping pile of meat that your wife and kids won't soon forget.

 

[tcreeley]

Wouldn't it be better to have a buddy unhook the pto shaft while the tractor is still running and your foot is on the clutch? Then you could watch for lightening and warn him if it looked bad!:laughing::laughing::confused2:

 

[Soundguy]

8 miles is a long walk with a mangled extremity. Oh that's right. Wouldn't have to walk cause you didn't turn the tractor off. Still gonna look silly waving at passers by with your bloody stump..

You have seriously flawed logic.

the reason you would be walking 8 miles is BECAUSE you DID turn off theengine. if the engine is off how did your arm get mangled. See how that works. can't have both.. it's a one or the other.

The correct lesson for young folk is that if your equipment is in disrepair, fix it first and don't take the risk. Some things are worth putting your life at risk. Post hole digging, grass cutting, and bush hogging aren't on that list fellas..

predisposition. Lets say you start your tractor, are doing your work, THEN your electrics die.

that's not a previous maintenance issue. that's a bit of damage that happened during the course of work.

You obviously wouldn't have started the tractor with bad electrics or starter then went on to work.. .. now that, I agree, would be bad practice, and asking for a long walk...

As for your pile of meat issue.

look at belted power equipment of days gone past.

did injuries happen.. sure.. did it wipe out people by the droves? no.

again.. do what you ( everyone individually ) feel is safe / are prepared to deal with the consequences. Personally.. I'd rather disconenct a stationary pto shaft from one of my tractors ( safety feeling wise ).. than go stand anywhere near the public gun range that I'm forced to use if I want to shoot at a public range... some scarry people with no gun safety skills go there...

now thats what SCARES the heck out of me! not worrying that my clutch pedal is gonna fall to the running board, the pto engage lever is ging to snap backwards, and then the clutch pedal is gonna fly back up...

soundguy

 

[chipsndust]

I'll respond in this post similar as I did in the last one. (Especially for new or inexperienced tractor owners)

If your PTO is engaged by "pulling up a button" or "flipping a switch" (i.e., electrical vs. mechanical engagement) you should never connect or disconnect anything to the PTO shaft with the engine running.

Personally, I would shut the engine off regardless of the type of PTO.

I got time, a good battery, and bad luck.